Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:42 PM
We all love to have more information before we step out, but in both of these cases, regardless of table position, you need to place a bet of some sort (probably 40% of the pot or more) if the action has not been opened before it is your turn to act. These 'feeler' bets also serve to never allowing your opponent a free card on such draw heavy boards, especially in a cash game and FOR SURE if you were the preflop raiser. You need information as to where you are in the hand and could put yourself into a much worse 'no mans land' with a lot of the deck on the Turn. Yes, this does open you up to a check raise, but the raise should serve as 'your' pot builder as you are going to be ahead most of the time (see above for 90% calculation, even better with your set). If the board pairs on the Turn you could lose some desired action, so get the pot up there on the Flop ... especially with top set against a draw heavy board.If a bet is in play before you are to act, then you must decide what size pot you want to play for ... and then either call or raise based on that decision. Before you raise, you must decide how you are going to handle a re-raise if it comes and what size you would be willing to call. Probably a call with your open-ender and a raise with your top set would be in order and see what hits the Turn.Obviously you need a little more caution with the open-ender since you can still be out drawn on theTurn or River by a 4-flush, but this is a hand you can move forward with most of the time against known opponents ... any callers would have to have something connected so you really can't worry about bluffs before the Turn hits.If you are behind somehow with top set, you are still drawing to 10 outs on the River to suck out ... this is 1 out better than a flush draw, not bad!! I would have to agree with the commenters that in order to move beyond the Turn action, it would be nice to have more informaiton about any history with other players, but this is pretty much an ABC hand. Since you are first to act, how the table reacts to your Flop bet will determine your options on the Turn, especially with the open-ender. Any bet on the Turn of less than 40% pot will price in a flush or similar straight draw, so if you are comfortable with your action (or lack of re-action) on the Flop, you need to be ready to fire a fairly big bullet on the Turn if it is a major blank, especially with top set. Even if a 4-flush hits your opponets are going to be cautious of any Turn bet that you lead out with unless they have A, K or Q of clubs and you still could get rid of K or Q on the River in some cases with another bullet. Obviously if they have the A ... oopps!!When the board is strong, act strong, and in this case here you are strong anyway so that is good. You can never lose if your opponents all fold to you on the Flop or Turn, but you certainly can be an unhappy camper if you give them cheap cards to get to the River and out draw you. Good Luck and see you accross the felt.