CaneBrain, on Monday, March 26th, 2012, 9:06 AM, said:
Your link is broken for me.Stand your ground, in essence, spreads the "Castle Doctrine" to any area you have a right to be. Under the castle doctrine, you have the right to defend yourself in your house. You do not have to retreat even if you have the opportunity to do so. Stand your ground eliminates the duty to retreat in any area a person can lawfully be. So, if a guy attacks you with a lead pipe in a parking lot and you have the opportunity to run away, you can still use deadly force on him with a gun. In some states, if you can defuse the situation without deadly force by easily running away, you cannot use deadly force.I agree with you (and Gingrich and Santorum to be fair to conservative politicians) that stand your ground does not apply here. Zimmerman created the situation by chasing after the kid with a gun even though the 911 operator specifically told him not to do so. Self-defense laws like stand your ground should NOT be available to people who willingly create the situation by following someone else. The Sanford police department should be ashamed of themselves for letting Zimmerman just go home by using that defense.
Although I agree that following the kid adds some of the responsibility to the hispanic guy, he also had a job sanctioned by the police ( they did train them after all ) and was in the process of following a 'suspicious person'.A dispatcher telling you not do the job you were trained for isn't the same as an actual law enforcement person. They are glorified phone operators. Let's not act like he was required by law to obey a 911 operator.Also this PC notion that we are supposed to avoid bad guys and duck and hide and let them have free reign is not only cowardly, it's stupid. Zimmerman was trained by the police, was armed with a legal firearm, and was entrusted to protect his neighborhood. He sees a person he doesn't recognize, follows him and calls the police ( all perfectly acceptable actions by any reasonable person's opinion ) The dispatcher says ( don't follow him anymore ) Zimmerman says screw that. If he gets away, he gets to continue breaking laws elsewhere. If I'm not going to stand up to him, someone with police training, police on the way, and willing to stop a law breaker from targeting my neighborhood, then I might as well just leave our doors unlocked, hide in the basement and beg the bad guys not to hurt us.Giving the kid the benefit of the doubt, he sees some hispanic guy following him and yelling at him. He gets scarred, worried he's about to be mugged? So he turns and punches the guy in the face, breaking his nose. He jumps on the guy, knocking him to the ground and while on top of him he is hitting him. Heck now he's not sure what he wants to do, probably just leave. Then the guy pulls a gun and shoots him.I think both guys would never have asked for the situation to escalate. Both got caught up and it ended badly. The hispanic guy probably is guilty of not meeting force with a reasonable level of counter force. He brought a gun to a fist fight as it were.But the reality is this nation now believes a lie, that a young happy kid was skipping and an old racist republican shot him in the back for walking black in his neighborhood. This notion is being pushed for opportunist to exploit. The end result is this guy will either be killed in vigilante style justice ( which is ironic that that's exactly what they are accusing him of ) or he will be tried for charges that don't apply, be found innocent because of an over reaching prosecution trying to appease a misinformed community, and riots will happens for justice.