Willing 2 Die 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Reads: Villian is decent player. Loves to talk alot. He plays online as he mentioned before. Other than that, i haven't seen many hands he's played down to the river.My image: I'm somewhat TAG, but 2 out of the last 4 hands i raised PF anywhere from $7-15, so i'm looking kinda loose at this point, but i'm getting cards. I haven't shown down any of those hands.My hand is 88Effective stacks: Hero $300 Villian $190-Preflop: MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $12, LP2 calls $12, Villian in BB calls $12.Flop: 2,3,2Villian checks. Hero bets $15. LP2 folds. Villian stacks chips and check raises to $35. Hero: Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 chitty spot.your flop bet got you in it though.this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently. it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets. as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 chitty spot.your flop bet got you in it though.this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently. it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets. as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites
Willing 2 Die 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Author Share Posted November 10, 2007 chitty spot.your flop bet got you in it though.this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently. it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets. as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.Yea, if i'm going to call i have to call quickly. Any hesitation is going to show villian that i'm unsure and he can continue to fire away.Keep the discussion coming, i'll post results later. Link to post Share on other sites
Willing 2 Die 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Author Share Posted November 10, 2007 What do you all think about this play:Flop: 2,3,2Villian checks. Hero bets $15. LP2 folds. Villian stacks chips and check raises to $35. Hero instantly annouces all-in for $270- Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Very nice value bluff. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Hero instantly annouces all-in for $270-i'd rather do this with 56o or A2 than with 88.wouldn't even do that with AA here. i'd call the raise and then shove the turn once villain bets again.in other words, i'd save your big bluffs for when you have air that is pretty likely to not be drawing dead, though possibly really slim. and then blend them with hands that are the near nuts. when you bet big like this, you shove all of villain's hands into the same value range: i.e., almost all of them become bluff-catchers and nothing more. but you don't want to be dead against any of the bluff catchers. if you don't have such a black-white hand range and it's more blended, it means that sometimes when he decides to catch a bluff with a bluff-catcher, you're drawing dead - which makes it correct for him to call more often. Link to post Share on other sites
Willing 2 Die 0 Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 when you bet big like this, you shove all of villain's hands into the same value range: i.e., almost all of them become bluff-catchers and nothing more. but you don't want to be dead against any of the bluff catchers. if you don't have such a black-white hand range and it's more blended, it means that sometimes when he decides to catch a bluff with a bluff-catcher, you're drawing dead - which makes it correct for him to call more often.I like this analysis, thanks.Here's what i'm thinking while the hand is taking place. I'm aware that Villian is somewhat of a solid player, a little loose perhaps, but knowledgeable. On a previous hand, i observed his betting line to be rather cautious than aggressive. When I saw his raise, I'm thinking he he has a pair as well, either 6's, 9's or 10's perhaps. I started to think that i wanted to make a play at this guy just to see what happened, and also to work on my pose (not giving off tells) as i orchestrate a bluff.I'm thinking he can't call me if he knows what he's doing and if he has anything below 10s and if i put him on a hand correctly. I tried to position myself as quietly and as unintersted as possible. He eventually folded 10s. Something else funny happned after that but im not sure if want to share it. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I like this analysis, thanks.Here's what i'm thinking while the hand is taking place. I'm aware that Villian is somewhat of a solid player, a little loose perhaps, but knowledgeable. On a previous hand, i observed his betting line to be rather cautious than aggressive. When I saw his raise, I'm thinking he he has a pair as well, either 6's, 9's or 10's perhaps. I started to think that i wanted to make a play at this guy just to see what happened, and also to work on my pose (not giving off tells) as i orchestrate a bluff.I'm thinking he can't call me if he knows what he's doing and if he has anything below 10s and if i put him on a hand correctly. I tried to position myself as quietly and as unintersted as possible. He eventually folded 10s. Something else funny happned after that but im not sure if want to share it. you pooped your pants? Link to post Share on other sites
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