no limit omaha 8 = goldmine.

[CaneBrain 95]

check these out....very typical. anyone else on here play this??? The first hand I just had too many draws to fold.2nd hand was just easy. and this is heads up....full ring its even easier.Full Tilt Poker Game #400242884: Table Luna - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 8:45:28 ET - 2006/01/24Seat 5: CaneBrain888 ($84.10)Seat 9: STUDMONKEY ($73.90)CaneBrain888 posts the small blind of $1STUDMONKEY posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [5d 8h 6s Ah]CaneBrain888 calls $1STUDMONKEY checks*** FLOP *** [6d 3s 2h]STUDMONKEY bets $4CaneBrain888 calls $4*** TURN *** [6d 3s 2h] [7h]STUDMONKEY bets $67.90, and is all inCaneBrain888 calls $67.90STUDMONKEY shows [5h 7d Tc Ad]CaneBrain888 shows [5d 8h 6s Ah]*** RIVER *** [6d 3s 2h 7h] [9s]STUDMONKEY shows a pair of Sevens, for highSTUDMONKEY shows 6,5,3,2,A, for lowCaneBrain888 shows a straight, Nine high, for highCaneBrain888 shows 6,5,3,2,A, for lowCaneBrain888 wins the high pot ($73.65) with a straight, Nine highSTUDMONKEY ties for the low pot ($36.85) with 6,5,3,2,ACaneBrain888 ties for the low pot ($36.80) with 6,5,3,2,ASTUDMONKEY adds $80*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $147.80 | Rake $0.50Board: [6d 3s 2h 7h 9s]Seat 5: CaneBrain888 (small blind) showed [5d 8h 6s Ah] and won ($110.45) with HI: a straight, Nine high; LO: 6,5,3,2,ASeat 9: STUDMONKEY (big blind) showed [5h 7d Tc Ad] and won ($36.85) with HI: a pair of Sevens; LO: 6,5,3,2,Athen the coup de graceFull Tilt Poker Game #400247054: Table Luna - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 8:54:52 ET - 2006/01/24Seat 5: CaneBrain888 ($107.15)Seat 9: STUDMONKEY ($127.05)STUDMONKEY posts the small blind of $1CaneBrain888 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [4c 2s Kc Ah]STUDMONKEY calls $1CaneBrain888 checks*** FLOP *** [Tc 8c Ac]CaneBrain888 checksSTUDMONKEY bets $2CaneBrain888 calls $2*** TURN *** [Tc 8c Ac] [7d]CaneBrain888 checksSTUDMONKEY bets $44CaneBrain888 raises to $103.15, and is all inSTUDMONKEY calls $59.15CaneBrain888 shows [4c 2s Kc Ah]STUDMONKEY shows [5c 3c 6c 9h]*** RIVER *** [Tc 8c Ac 7d] [6s]CaneBrain888 shows a flush, Ace high, for highCaneBrain888 shows 7,6,4,2,A, for lowSTUDMONKEY shows a flush, Ace high, for highSTUDMONKEY shows 7,6,5,3,A, for lowCaneBrain888 wins the high pot ($106.90) with a flush, Ace highCaneBrain888 wins the low pot ($106.90) with 7,6,4,2,A*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $214.30 | Rake $0.50Board: [Tc 8c Ac 7d 6s]Seat 5: CaneBrain888 (big blind) showed [4c 2s Kc Ah] and won ($213.80) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,4,2,ASeat 9: STUDMONKEY (small blind) showed [5c 3c 6c 9h] and lost with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,5,3,A

[MOMOwheeler 0]

$0.50 max rake!!!

[CaneBrain 95]

$0.50 max rake!!!

I really dont know who is creepier....buddy jesus or that weird burger king guy.

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

nh's, but the thing about NLO8B is that theres a lot of variance where youll have an open ended straight flush draw with the nut low draw and miss.. and you lose lots. but yeah, o8b is a goldmine.

[oceansize 0]

yeah, I don't really think you can just describe a couple of hands where you very easily could have lost (because you didn't have the nutz for either board hi or lo) but did win and then declare the game a gold mine.This is a difficult enough game to play in a limit or PL structure because of those variances. And I garuntee if you continue to play those hands the same way your gonna get bit in the ass eventually. Just in drawing to the nutz and the nutz only you can still get hit pretty bad, but because you are gonna hit those nut draws once in a while it will not sting as bad.Typically, most people that do well in this only play the outs to the nutz of the hands, playing or drawing to the best hands possible that the board presents. You did none of that and took down some huge pots. Good for you and good job. I still think you might be a little hasty in calling this an easy fishing hole though.Los

[ICrushHomeGames 0]

Screw you, NLO8Sincerely,My ever-shrinking bankroll

[MOMOwheeler 0]

$0.50 max rake!!!

I really dont know who is creepier....buddy jesus or that weird burger king guy.

Jesus cant high-step if that helps your decision any.....

[pokerplayer24 0]

*** TURN *** [6d 3s 2h] [7h] STUDMONKEY bets $67.90, and is all in CaneBrain888 calls $67.90 STUDMONKEY shows [5h 7d Tc Ad] CaneBrain888 shows [5d 8h 6s Ah]

and now we have why nl omaha is so profitable.Bigtime donk call on your part.You're 45% to win the high and even vs that crap.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Hand 1, Your hand's weak, weaker than you know, you just happened to have some weaker fish than you were paid you off. You are the ideal fish to get 3/4'd or freerolled. Good luck.

[Waffles2003 1]

just play the 2 table nlo8 on stars ($1.75 buy in), very easy to cash in ...for those that have a small bankroll like mine.

[ThatPkrGuy 0]

No offense OP but be happy that you won what you did.If you continue to play marginal hands in those situations your gonna take a few hits to your BR. Playing correctly even O8NL can have lots of variance...playing weakly your gonna have a really bad streak...But i'm sure your not going to listen...enjoy it while it lasts

[Simpleton 0]

That was battle royale of the retards

[HoosierAlum 0]

You played hand 1 really poorly.But yes, O8 is very profitable.

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

just like every non-holdem game on the net, o8 is profitable.

[Wingmaster05 0]

just like every non-holdem game on the net, o8 is profitable.

im a razz donkey, through and through. And i cringed when you called in the first hand...even after finding out how pathetic this guy was.

[Dexterity 0]

If you found a spot where free money was dispensed, would you tell everyone? I never understand people like this. If you found something you think is very profitable, why go and spread it everywhere just to show off? What a knobPS, I'm not trying to act like people don't already know this fact, but keep it to yourself dumbass

[CaneBrain 95]

well everyone was in agreement that I made a bad play on Hand #1 last time I posted. Was this one played ok? I still say this game is a goldmine and for a week I have been mining it for lots of money.Full Tilt Poker Game #402104887: Table Arroyo Dunes - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 11:46:14 ET - 2006/01/25Seat 5: jeremythedog ($76.50)Seat 7: The Honey Nut ($322.55)Seat 9: CaneBrain888 ($80)STUDMONKEY adds $80The Honey Nut posts the small blind of $1CaneBrain888 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [2s 3c 6c 8s]jeremythedog foldsThe Honey Nut raises to $6CaneBrain888 calls $4*** FLOP *** [9d 5c 4c]The Honey Nut bets $12CaneBrain888 raises to $74, and is all inThe Honey Nut calls $62CaneBrain888 shows [2s 3c 6c 8s]The Honey Nut shows [6d 2c 3h 4d]*** TURN *** [9d 5c 4c] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [9d 5c 4c Tc] [3s]CaneBrain888 shows a flush, Ten high, for highCaneBrain888 shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowThe Honey Nut shows a straight, Six high, for highThe Honey Nut shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowCaneBrain888 wins the high pot ($79.50) with a flush, Ten highThe Honey Nut ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2CaneBrain888 ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $160 | Rake $1Board: [9d 5c 4c Tc 3s]Seat 5: jeremythedog (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: The Honey Nut (small blind) showed [6d 2c 3h 4d] and won ($39.75) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2Seat 9: CaneBrain888 (big blind) showed [2s 3c 6c 8s] and won ($119.25) with HI: a flush, Ten high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2

[DunkinDonuts 0]

well everyone was in agreement that I made a bad play on Hand #1 last time I posted.  Was this one played ok?  I still say this game is a goldmine and for a week I have been mining it for lots of money.Full Tilt Poker Game #402104887: Table Arroyo Dunes - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 11:46:14 ET - 2006/01/25Seat 5: jeremythedog ($76.50)Seat 7: The Honey Nut ($322.55)Seat 9: CaneBrain888 ($80)STUDMONKEY adds $80The Honey Nut posts the small blind of $1CaneBrain888 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [2s 3c 6c 8s]jeremythedog foldsThe Honey Nut raises to $6CaneBrain888 calls $4*** FLOP *** [9d 5c 4c]The Honey Nut bets $12CaneBrain888 raises to $74, and is all inThe Honey Nut calls $62CaneBrain888 shows [2s 3c 6c 8s]The Honey Nut shows [6d 2c 3h 4d]*** TURN *** [9d 5c 4c] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [9d 5c 4c Tc] [3s]CaneBrain888 shows a flush, Ten high, for highCaneBrain888 shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowThe Honey Nut shows a straight, Six high, for highThe Honey Nut shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowCaneBrain888 wins the high pot ($79.50) with a flush, Ten highThe Honey Nut ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2CaneBrain888 ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $160 | Rake $1Board: [9d 5c 4c Tc 3s]Seat 5: jeremythedog (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: The Honey Nut (small blind) showed [6d 2c 3h 4d] and won ($39.75) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2Seat 9: CaneBrain888 (big blind) showed [2s 3c 6c 8s] and won ($119.25) with HI: a flush, Ten high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2

No. It was most certainly not an O.K. play, and we shouldn't even have to tell you why. On the flop, you had three outs to the current nut high and low (a non-club ace), eight outs to the current nut high but nowhere near the nut low (four sevens, one of which would give you a straight flush, four deuces, one of which would give you a straight flush), and 7 additional outs to a flush that isn't worth a pot to piss in... oh, and a few more outs (any 6) to the butt end of a straight (again, no nut low). Yes, all those outs look pretty heads-up, but for my $74 raise, the ONLY card that I'm happy to see on the turn is a non-club ace. It's worth noting that several of your outs would have split high and low with him. It's also worth noting that if he had a set or two pair with two low cards that weren't on the board, then he would have been a favorite over you to scoop the pot, and the split percentages would have been close. In most of those situations with all the money in, if the board pairs, you're screaming bloody murder.Yes, you had about a 2-1 advantage in EV (and a 2-1 scoop edge) before the flop, but ONLY by virtue of the fact that your opponent happened to have an even worse hand than you did (which isn't likely to happen often if you call raises with 2368, soooooted or not).Would I make the same move? Perhaps, but I have huge leaks in my game, which I recognize but don't always work to fix. However, you strike me as the gambling type who sees a few draws and instantly tries to jam the pot. Against a better opponent, the only hand that will call you there will have an edge over you in equity, and would probably also be holding the nut low draw.Bottom line, based on the examples you've given, you're not crushing the game, you're basically betting on black or red and hitting a few times.

[CaneBrain 95]

well everyone was in agreement that I made a bad play on Hand #1 last time I posted. Was this one played ok? I still say this game is a goldmine and for a week I have been mining it for lots of money.Full Tilt Poker Game #402104887: Table Arroyo Dunes - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 11:46:14 ET - 2006/01/25Seat 5: jeremythedog ($76.50)Seat 7: The Honey Nut ($322.55)Seat 9: CaneBrain888 ($80)STUDMONKEY adds $80The Honey Nut posts the small blind of $1CaneBrain888 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [2s 3c 6c 8s]jeremythedog foldsThe Honey Nut raises to $6CaneBrain888 calls $4*** FLOP *** [9d 5c 4c]The Honey Nut bets $12CaneBrain888 raises to $74, and is all inThe Honey Nut calls $62CaneBrain888 shows [2s 3c 6c 8s]The Honey Nut shows [6d 2c 3h 4d]*** TURN *** [9d 5c 4c] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [9d 5c 4c Tc] [3s]CaneBrain888 shows a flush, Ten high, for highCaneBrain888 shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowThe Honey Nut shows a straight, Six high, for highThe Honey Nut shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowCaneBrain888 wins the high pot ($79.50) with a flush, Ten highThe Honey Nut ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2CaneBrain888 ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $160 | Rake $1Board: [9d 5c 4c Tc 3s]Seat 5: jeremythedog (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: The Honey Nut (small blind) showed [6d 2c 3h 4d] and won ($39.75) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2Seat 9: CaneBrain888 (big blind) showed [2s 3c 6c 8s] and won ($119.25) with HI: a flush, Ten high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2

No. It was most certainly not an O.K. play, and we shouldn't even have to tell you why. On the flop, you had three outs to the current nut high and low (a non-club ace), eight outs to the current nut high but nowhere near the nut low (four sevens, one of which would give you a straight flush, four deuces, one of which would give you a straight flush), and 7 additional outs to a flush that isn't worth a pot to censored in... oh, and a few more outs (any 6) to the butt end of a straight (again, no nut low). Yes, all those outs look pretty heads-up, but for my $74 raise, the ONLY card that I'm happy to see on the turn is a non-club ace. It's worth noting that several of your outs would have split high and low with him. It's also worth noting that if he had a set or two pair with two low cards that weren't on the board, then he would have been a favorite over you to scoop the pot, and the split percentages would have been close. In most of those situations with all the money in, if the board pairs, you're screaming bloody murder.Yes, you had about a 2-1 advantage in EV (and a 2-1 scoop edge) before the flop, but ONLY by virtue of the fact that your opponent happened to have an even worse hand than you did (which isn't likely to happen often if you call raises with 2368, soooooted or not).Would I make the same move? Perhaps, but I have huge leaks in my game, which I recognize but don't always work to fix. However, you strike me as the gambling type who sees a few draws and instantly tries to jam the pot. Against a better opponent, the only hand that will call you there will have an edge over you in equity, and would probably also be holding the nut low draw.Bottom line, based on the examples you've given, you're not crushing the game, you're basically betting on black or red and hitting a few times.

No see you really did need to tell me why. I learned a lot there. However, the thesis of this thread was that the level of play is low. I had been watching this guy play a lot and it was clear that these guys were playing bad cards. So I was pretty sure I was ahead when I pushed or at least close enough to get him to fold. Sorry for making you explain....but I appreciate it.

[HoosierAlum 0]

well everyone was in agreement that I made a bad play on Hand #1 last time I posted.  Was this one played ok?  I still say this game is a goldmine and for a week I have been mining it for lots of money.Full Tilt Poker Game #402104887: Table Arroyo Dunes - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 11:46:14 ET - 2006/01/25Seat 5: jeremythedog ($76.50)Seat 7: The Honey Nut ($322.55)Seat 9: CaneBrain888 ($80)STUDMONKEY adds $80The Honey Nut posts the small blind of $1CaneBrain888 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [2s 3c 6c 8s]jeremythedog foldsThe Honey Nut raises to $6CaneBrain888 calls $4*** FLOP *** [9d 5c 4c]The Honey Nut bets $12CaneBrain888 raises to $74, and is all inThe Honey Nut calls $62CaneBrain888 shows [2s 3c 6c 8s]The Honey Nut shows [6d 2c 3h 4d]*** TURN *** [9d 5c 4c] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [9d 5c 4c Tc] [3s]CaneBrain888 shows a flush, Ten high, for highCaneBrain888 shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowThe Honey Nut shows a straight, Six high, for highThe Honey Nut shows 6,5,4,3,2, for lowCaneBrain888 wins the high pot ($79.50) with a flush, Ten highThe Honey Nut ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2CaneBrain888 ties for the low pot ($39.75) with 6,5,4,3,2*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $160 | Rake $1Board: [9d 5c 4c Tc 3s]Seat 5: jeremythedog (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: The Honey Nut (small blind) showed [6d 2c 3h 4d] and won ($39.75) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2Seat 9: CaneBrain888 (big blind) showed [2s 3c 6c 8s] and won ($119.25) with HI: a flush, Ten high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2

No. It was most certainly not an O.K. play, and we shouldn't even have to tell you why. On the flop, you had three outs to the current nut high and low (a non-club ace), eight outs to the current nut high but nowhere near the nut low (four sevens, one of which would give you a straight flush, four deuces, one of which would give you a straight flush), and 7 additional outs to a flush that isn't worth a pot to censored in... oh, and a few more outs (any 6) to the butt end of a straight (again, no nut low). Yes, all those outs look pretty heads-up, but for my $74 raise, the ONLY card that I'm happy to see on the turn is a non-club ace. It's worth noting that several of your outs would have split high and low with him. It's also worth noting that if he had a set or two pair with two low cards that weren't on the board, then he would have been a favorite over you to scoop the pot, and the split percentages would have been close. In most of those situations with all the money in, if the board pairs, you're screaming bloody murder.Yes, you had about a 2-1 advantage in EV (and a 2-1 scoop edge) before the flop, but ONLY by virtue of the fact that your opponent happened to have an even worse hand than you did (which isn't likely to happen often if you call raises with 2368, soooooted or not).Would I make the same move? Perhaps, but I have huge leaks in my game, which I recognize but don't always work to fix. However, you strike me as the gambling type who sees a few draws and instantly tries to jam the pot. Against a better opponent, the only hand that will call you there will have an edge over you in equity, and would probably also be holding the nut low draw.Bottom line, based on the examples you've given, you're not crushing the game, you're basically betting on black or red and hitting a few times.

Great post Dunkin. Cane, based on the hands you posted, you have some serious leaks in your game. I would recommend checking out O8poker.com and reading SS2.

[ThatPkrGuy 0]

If you found a spot where free money was dispensed, would you tell everyone? I never understand people like this. If you found something you think is very profitable, why go and spread it everywhere just to show off? What a knobPS, I'm not trying to act like people don't already know this fact, but keep it to yourself dumbass

I for one don't think that telling the people here on FCP is telling EVERYONE!!If i find a consitant way to make money playing whatever i will be the first to tell everyone on here. I feel that FCP is my "home" if you will. And therefor am willing to give up such information to them. But i'm just a nice guy

[CaneBrain 95]

alright. I actually own SS2.....and I have some free time this week which is nice. Quitting your job is very satisfying for the first couple months.In my defense....a lot of these plays are at very short handed tables with dumb dumb opponents who kept showing down mediocre holdings. but I still need the help. 16K tonight hoosier? I keep amassing a really big stack early and then I go completely card dead and blow up in hour 3. Any advice on that DUNKIN? (by the way I am a big fan of the grammar police)

[CaneBrain 95]

If you found a spot where free money was dispensed, would you tell everyone? I never understand people like this. If you found something you think is very profitable, why go and spread it everywhere just to show off? What a knobPS, I'm not trying to act like people don't already know this fact, but keep it to yourself dumbass

I for one don't think that telling the people here on FCP is telling EVERYONE!!If i find a consitant way to make money playing whatever i will be the first to tell everyone on here. I feel that FCP is my "home" if you will. And therefor am willing to give up such information to them. But i'm just a nice guy

agree with this completely.

[CaneBrain 95]

how about this hand???Full Tilt Poker Game #402243736: Table Arroyo Dunes - $1/$2 - No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 13:58:42 ET - 2006/01/25Seat 1: holdme001 ($54)Seat 2: STUDMONKEY ($196.50)Seat 3: Maxx1234 ($76)Seat 4: misterT1313 ($38)Seat 5: usmc1983 ($78.25)Seat 6: Pearso ($89.95), is sitting outSeat 7: CaneBrain888 ($98.25)Seat 8: BoroBoySignu ($28.45)Seat 9: Peldini ($127.85)STUDMONKEY posts the small blind of $1Maxx1234 posts the big blind of $2usmc1983 posts $2The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CaneBrain888 [6c 2h Td Ac]misterT1313 calls $2usmc1983 checksCaneBrain888 calls $2BoroBoySignu calls $2Peldini foldsholdme001 foldsSTUDMONKEY foldsMaxx1234 checks*** FLOP *** [Jc 2c Kc]Maxx1234 checksmisterT1313 bets $11usmc1983 foldsCaneBrain888 calls $11BoroBoySignu raises to $26.45, and is all inMaxx1234 foldsmisterT1313 calls $15.45CaneBrain888: what do you guys have???CaneBrain888 raises to $41.90misterT1313 calls $9.55, and is all inCaneBrain888 shows [6c 2h Td Ac]BoroBoySignu shows [Kh 5c Ks Qh]misterT1313 shows [9c Jh Qc Qd]ThatPkrGuy (Observer): hey usmc...u know that avatar is wearing an Army uniform right ;)Uncalled bet of $5.90 returned to CaneBrain888*** TURN *** [Jc 2c Kc] [2s]*** RIVER *** [Jc 2c Kc 2s] [9h]STUDMONKEY: u beatCaneBrain888 shows a flush, Ace high, for highmisterT1313 shows a flush, King high, for highCaneBrain888 wins the side pot ($19.10) with a flush, Ace highBoroBoySignu shows a full house, Kings full of Twos, for highBoroBoySignu wins the main pot ($87.35) with a full house, Kings full of TwosCaneBrain888: of coursemisterT1313 is sitting outNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $109.45 Main pot $90.35. Side pot $19.10. | Rake $3Board: [Jc 2c Kc 2s 9h]Seat 1: holdme001 (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: STUDMONKEY (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 3: Maxx1234 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: misterT1313 showed [9c Jh Qc Qd] and lost with HI: a flush, King highSeat 5: usmc1983 folded on the FlopSeat 6: Pearso is sitting outSeat 7: CaneBrain888 showed [6c 2h Td Ac] and won ($19.10) with HI: a flush, Ace highSeat 8: BoroBoySignu showed [Kh 5c Ks Qh] and won ($87.35) with HI: a full house, Kings full of TwosSeat 9: Peldini didn't bet (folded)

[ThatPkrGuy 0]

If you found a spot where free money was dispensed, would you tell everyone? I never understand people like this. If you found something you think is very profitable, why go and spread it everywhere just to show off? What a knobPS, I'm not trying to act like people don't already know this fact, but keep it to yourself dumbass

I for one don't think that telling the people here on FCP is telling EVERYONE!!If i find a consitant way to make money playing whatever i will be the first to tell everyone on here. I feel that FCP is my "home" if you will. And therefor am willing to give up such information to them. But i'm just a nice guy