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#1 cwik

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 04:44 PM

I have never really played a hand like this. Guess we were playing limit holden pf, and donktard holdem post flop. No real reads on the villains. Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $45.50UTG+1: $98.50CO: $44Hero: $110.50SB: $86.30BB: $80Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with :D :D UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises to $3.5, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $7, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: :club: :D :D ($42, 6 players)SB checks, BB is all-in $73, 2 folds, CO calls all-in $37, Hero...getting 2-1 on my money.

#2 Acid_Knight

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:09 PM

I fold. The only good situation for you is where they both have better made hands. If either one of them ever shows up with a draw, you are basically drawing dead.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:20 PM

yes definitly fold, too often anybody has a higher flushdraw. with so many people in the pot...

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:22 PM

View PostKick, on Saturday, November 3rd, 2007, 6:20 PM, said:

yes definitly fold, too often anybody has a higher flushdraw. with so many people in the pot...
it's not *THAT* often, but the problem is that even if it happens a small % of the time, we're making a mistake because the odds were pretty close to be making the call anyway.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:46 PM

It would be darn pretty unusual for us to have a better than 2:1 chance of winning. Fold.
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Posted 03 November 2007 - 11:23 PM

I fold pre-flop when the re-raise comes back to us. We'd love to see a bloated, multiway flop for "cheap" ($7) on the button, but without closing the action, there's no guarantee of that.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 04:51 AM

i fold pre-flop. usually with the betting on the flop (divorced from the pre-flop action) we're looking at a made hand vs a good flush draw. since the betting was so strong preflop, I have a harder time putting one of them on two diamonds. if i do call pre-flop, noting i'm most likely to see JJ QQ KK AA AK or AJ from both of them, I don't have a hard time calling on the flop.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 09:41 AM

The preflop call of 7 is terrible. We have position, but we're facing a raiser who is OOP (generally indictating a good hand) and a limp raiser from the CO. Calling over that is just terrible.Fold the flop like always.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 10:07 AM

Just fold the flop. Higher flush draws crush you and kill your equity.
Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
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BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 06:36 PM

View Postcwik, on Saturday, November 3rd, 2007, 4:44 PM, said:

getting 2-1 on my money.
But not good enough. Almost positive there is a higher FD. AND, you don't have high cards to pair over the board. AND, you don't have any straight draws to speak of.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 07:16 PM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Sunday, November 4th, 2007, 9:36 PM, said:

Almost positive there is a higher FD.
lol no.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:11 PM

View PostZach6668, on Sunday, November 4th, 2007, 7:16 PM, said:

lol no.
Guess that's what I get for posting before reading everyone else's posts.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:57 PM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Sunday, November 4th, 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

Guess that's what I get for posting before reading everyone else's posts.
Meh, I never remembered their posts anyways, but I just don't think we can assume there's another flush draw out any more than whatever the statistical probabilty of it happening is.Neither of their play is so strikingly like a flush draw that we can deduce it from that.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 09:06 PM

View PostKick, on Saturday, November 3rd, 2007, 6:20 PM, said:

yes definitly fold, too often anybody has a higher flushdraw. with so many people in the pot...
Or a set, further killing your odds. I fold.Mark




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