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Daut is 19/14/1.75I don't know much about his game. Would you play any street differently?Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $3/$66 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $502.20Hero: $2516.95CO: $573Button: $1362.60SB: $898BB: $796.60Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K :club: K :D UTG folds, Hero raises to $21, CO folds, Button raises to $72, 2 folds, Hero raises to $186, Button calls.Flop: 4 :D 8 :) 9 :D ($381, 2 players)Hero bets $288, Button calls.Turn: 6 :D ($957, 2 players)Hero checks, Button is all-in $888.6, Hero ????

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This is the first MikeySong thread i can remember that doesn't include you calling a 3-bet with A5s then CRAI on the turn as a stone cold bluff :POn the hand, I'd probably leave the table when Ryan Daut sat down for a start.Other than that, i don't know but i wouldn't mind check raise/calling the flop here as the pots so big already. The turn is one of these spots where i reason that 'omg there's so many draws he's obv shoving with one i call' before watching them flip over 88 and feeling like in idiot. In short i have no idea.

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So this is Daut from CR? I think I quit the table as well, but I am a pusay.As played, there is no way I could fold this. But I am a .10/.25 player, so take it FWIW, which I'll admit is not much.

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Hero yells, "Do it for basketball!!!"obviously not.I agree with Shieky. Though I wouldn't put the low PP in his range as much as the draw due to the marginal implied odds he's getting preflop.

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This is the first MikeySong thread i can remember that doesn't include you calling a 3-bet with A5s then CRAI on the turn as a stone cold bluff :club:On the hand, I'd probably leave the table when Ryan Daut sat down for a start.Other than that, i don't know but i wouldn't mind check raise/calling the flop here as the pots so big already. The turn is one of these spots where i reason that 'omg there's so many draws he's obv shoving with one i call' before watching them flip over 88 and feeling like in idiot. In short i have no idea.
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Hero yells, "Do it for basketball!!!"obviously not.I agree with Shieky. Though I wouldn't put the low PP in his range as much as the draw due to the marginal implied odds he's getting preflop.
I actualy think the opposite to this, given that the stacks are 200BBs+, he has position and an obvious Post-flop edge(or so he thinks), i think his range although not massive is probably bigger than in most spots where he calls a 3-bet.
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I actualy think the opposite to this, given that the stacks are 200BBs+, he has position and an obvious Post-flop edge(or so he thinks), i think his range although not massive is probably bigger than in most spots where he calls a 3-bet.
I glanced over the OP too quickly and thought that Mikeysong was on the button. Yes, I agree with you.
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I pretty much snap call the turn here. He could have a set or AA, but I think that with your general image (from what I've seen/read you're super aggro) he plays TT-QQ like this most of the time (can he bet small on the turn with TT+ rather than shoving?), and there's going to be at least some chance he's floating you too.He's also more likely to raise with a set than with an overpair on the flop so that weights his range against sets too.I actually think that AA is the single most likely hand for him to have if you're beat, but I'm pretty confident you have enough equity against his range for you to call here.

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I pretty much snap call the turn here. He could have a set or AA, but I think that with your general image (from what I've seen/read you're super aggro) he plays TT-QQ like this most of the time (can he bet small on the turn with TT+ rather than shoving?), and there's going to be at least some chance he's floating you too.He's also more likely to raise with a set than with an overpair on the flop so that weights his range against sets too.I actually think that AA is the single most likely hand for him to have if you're beat, but I'm pretty confident you have enough equity against his range for you to call here.
I think he does this with one of the 4 billion draws the turn made...
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Why 4bet so small?
Is there really any value in a bigger raise? 4-bet sizes don't need to be too large generally because by this point your range is usually be pretty polarised to "nuts or nothing". Then again, I could imagine Mikey value-4betting here with A3 suited so what do I know?
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I think he does this with one of the 4 billion draws the turn made...
Ya, I missed that. Then again, it kinda requires him to have floated the flop so I guess I covered it a little.In any case, I'm pretty sure Mikey actually did check here with the plan to snap call a shove.
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I can't really think of any other way to play this hand, and I am calling river.As for Daut, I don't really know his 'real' style, but from the CR videos I have watched he seems much less likely to splash around as some of the other CR pros. So I am not loving this spot.As for his range, I don't really think that turn improved him into a made hand, as T7s/75s are not the type of hands he is calling you light with. Is he calling with a small pair? If he is, it is a mistake imo and values really thin. If he has AKhh/AQhh, is he shoving the flop? Seems to me like he has AA-QQ(JJ?) here 70% of the time, a set 12.5%, draw 12.5%, air 5%. You can stove that if you want, put you are getting the right price.

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Daut is 19/14/1.75I don't know much about his game. Would you play any street differently?Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $3/$66 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $502.20Hero: $2516.95CO: $573Button: $1362.60SB: $898BB: $796.60Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K :club: K :D UTG folds, Hero raises to $21, CO folds, Button raises to $72, 2 folds, Hero raises to $186, Button calls.Flop: 4 :D 8 :) 9 :D ($381, 2 players)Hero bets $288, Button calls.Turn: 6 :D ($957, 2 players)Hero checks, Button is all-in $888.6, Hero ????
I really am not a fan of the 4b size cause you guys are 200bb deep, I think making it $200 or $215 is better, as he can't be set mining.he takes a line where you are making a hero call and you really don't know where you are at.his range obviously includes hearts, set, a straight, a straight draw, QQ/JJ although he is turning his hand into a bluff on the turn and he knows this...I think he'd check it behind otherwise, or get in on the flop.AA should be in his range, but not weighed towards it, as I'm pretty positive he'd get it in on the flop if he slow played it pre.56 would be one of those hands that he could easily call on the flop, especially if he had 5s6s, and then make a good turn shove and expect to show a profit.i dont know anything about his game, but the hands you are calling that he hopes he has, i think definately have a good amount of equity against you, 30-35%, and his range is probably weighed towards those types of hands..but of course at times he will show you a set and your obv in horrible spot.would he have reason to float you on the flop? i dont know much about his game...but i dont think this would be a bad call to make, or a bad spot to fold.but i'd probably call and expect 56, 78, "hopefully" in spades cuz we can give him credit for calling the flop w/ that kinda hand and shoving turn...otherwise i think he checks it behind. but man really i think it's closer than a 50/50 decision...is he ever turning QQ/JJ here into a bluff?- Jordan
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I can't really think of any other way to play this hand, and I am calling river.As for Daut, I don't really know his 'real' style, but from the CR videos I have watched he seems much less likely to splash around as some of the other CR pros. So I am not loving this spot.As for his range, I don't really think that turn improved him into a made hand, as T7s/75s are not the type of hands he is calling you light with. Is he calling with a small pair? If he is, it is a mistake imo and values really thin. If he has AKhh/AQhh, is he shoving the flop? Seems to me like he has AA-QQ(JJ?) here 70% of the time, a set 12.5%, draw 12.5%, air 5%. You can stove that if you want, put you are getting the right price.
I agree with most of this except that I think mostly that QQ=TT here.I'd really be on the fence about what to do, but if he's got 88 or 99, he's got JJ or TT or QQ just as much and what's he gonna do with those hands here? They probably all get played the same. I think he's got a hand that we beat more than enough to profitably call here.
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I can't really think of any other way to play this hand, and I am calling river.As for Daut, I don't really know his 'real' style, but from the CR videos I have watched he seems much less likely to splash around as some of the other CR pros. So I am not loving this spot.As for his range, I don't really think that turn improved him into a made hand, as T7s/75s are not the type of hands he is calling you light with. Is he calling with a small pair? If he is, it is a mistake imo and values really thin. If he has AKhh/AQhh, is he shoving the flop? Seems to me like he has AA-QQ(JJ?) here 70% of the time, a set 12.5%, draw 12.5%, air 5%. You can stove that if you want, put you are getting the right price.
I rly disagree with the AA-QQ/JJ here 70% of the time...that's imo way too often to put him on a range like that. i think if he has those hands he is pot controlling the turn if he just calls the flop with it...cuz if he flats the flop with that kinda hand, i rly don't think he is shoving the turn cause he can't expect AA/KK to fold often, so i'm sure he'd let one peel...but again i dont know his game much. and his stats really dont look like the kind to pull this play with air this deep very often at all, but i guess 5% chance is ok...but i think it's a semi-bluff/set much more than the other combos.- Jordan
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i dont know anything about his game, but the hands you are calling that he hopes he has, i think definately have a good amount of equity against you, 30-35%, and his range is probably weighed towards those types of hands..but of course at times he will show you a set and your obv in horrible spot.would he have reason to float you on the flop? i dont know much about his game...but i dont think this would be a bad call to make, or a bad spot to fold.but i'd probably call and expect 56, 78, "hopefully" in spades cuz we can give him credit for calling the flop w/ that kinda hand and shoving turn...otherwise i think he checks it behind. but man really i think it's closer than a 50/50 decision...is he ever turning QQ/JJ here into a bluff?- Jordan
I agree with pretty much everything in your post, especially the larger 4 bet size because you're OOP and deep.I don't necessarily think that if he's got QQ or JJ he's 100% sure he's turning it into a bluff, but there aren't many reasonable bets he can make once the turn gets there with the pot size and stack sizes as they are.
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I agree with pretty much everything in your post, especially the larger 4 bet size because you're OOP and deep.I don't necessarily think that if he's got QQ or JJ he's 100% sure he's turning it into a bluff, but there aren't many reasonable bets he can make once the turn gets there with the pot size and stack sizes as they are.
exactly...so he checks it behind much more than throws chips into the pot.imo, i'd only put him on qq/jj if our pf 3bet is some sort of like poignant thing in daut's mind and we know that...like he excepts us to cbet the flop w AK/AQ, and then c/f the turn, so he shoves to end the hand.but i rly don't know his game, and i know a lot of guys play pot control on this turn all day cuz no one wants to get called here and have QQ/JJ...they'd much rather have a semibluffing hand like the ones i mentioned, or a set (obv).like, the only way i'd put more emphasis on QQ/JJ weighted more heavily in his range, is cause of some pf meta game shit, but op never mentioned that.- Jordan
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fwiw, my hand range for daut is weighted mostly to semi-bluffing hands, so i'd call. (also chance at air, but i'd put that low, also chance at QQ/JJ/AA, AA more so than the other two )have a hard time with this tho, cause i think AA like raises this flop a lotttt)). I wish someone would put his range into pokerstove or w/e...im feeling lazy and not going thru all the combo semibluffing hands on the turn he'd shove but w/e.he shows up with a set here sometimes, but i think more often than not he raises the flop with a set and hopes to get in obv, cuz there are a lot of bad turn cards that will kill action.- Jordan

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Mikey, do you have a paticulary loose image at the table/to Daut? From some of the hands you've posted you seem to be a fairly loose agrro player, do you think Daut knows much about your game/views you in a certain way?

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i always have a loose image and I'm sure daut views me as splashy. I'm pretty sure we haven't messed around w/each other. Never felt I had a war with him.I really agree w/jordan that my 4bet was a big mistake. Too small. I kept it consistent with a 100bb standard 4bet rr and didn't realize in these spots, 4betting bigger is better.

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I am not saying he can't be semi bluffing here, infact, maybe a bit more then I gave him credit for. But I just feel like he is more often then not shoving the flop with most semi bluffs (if he thinks Mikey is 4betting light). The turn didn't really improve most of his range, expect maybe 87s. As for a set, I just feel like Daut is more fundamentally sound to be calling with a small pair here. He is getting a little over 10-1 here, so it is ok... but as people have mentioned before this is the main reason for the bigger 4bet. Just a slightly larger raise would have made calling w/ a pair very wrong.anyways, I don't think anyone here doesn't think this is a call.

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my initial instinct is that he floats this flop a lot, and my second thought is that he jams jj and 1010 type hands as a bluff hoping to create folds...i call

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here is the problemall overpairs have showdown value. So when I check turn and he shoves, he has to expect that I will fold QQ/KK/AA a good amount of the time. Now is it reasonable to assume this? I think the answer is no. I don't know much about his game so he may be infact a blufftard but I think we can agree that it is pretty suicidal to try and get someone to fold an overpair given these actions as well as pot size.so now i ask,if the above is true and if it makes sense, against what types of opponents can we call the turn? This is a spot where if we call, we are either against a monster or a draw/i.e. coinflip. Am I wrong? This is certainly debatable. But if the statement is true, then isn't folding correct? i'm not strong on the math here but from my pov it looks like 50% of the time we're ahead and the other 50% of the time we're way behind. So folding is correct.But then if that's true, shouldn't we check the flop and possibly check fold the turn?IT's hard and I've possibly overcomplicated the whole thing

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