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Just reminded me of the Star Jones impression Tracy Morgan did on SNL for "The View"..."Let's hit this one issue at a time.Players popping into and out of empty seats:While I don't mind this very much, most of the people I'm playing against appear to find it very annoying. Therefore, I do what I can in the chat box to try and get the offending "poppers" to stop. If that doesn't work, I email support. If somebody is acting like a tool, I don't see why it's a bad thing to call them a tool.Reasons for the lawsuit.The players are paying all the legal bills, and there is not a single online site that is involved in any way whatsoever. We have publicly stated, and we sincerely mean, that we will not accept any settlement that only serves our personal best interests. We will not settle unless the WPT agrees to change their deleterious and illegal practices with respect to ALL players who enter into WPT events. So, while we are doing this for ourselves, we are also doing it for all of you who do already or might in the future play in WPT events.Validity of the lawsuit.It is my personal opinion, as a lawyer who studied antitrust law in Law School, that the WPT is violating the law. Much more importantly, it is the opinion of our attorneys, who are the preeminent sports antitrust lawyers in the world, that the WPT is violating the law.Daniel's actions re the lawsuit.Daniel did not go to law school, nor even to college. He knows nothing about the law, and has never studied it. However, he is openly and continually expressing his opinions about the lawsuit to the public. He knows or should know that his doing so will tend to turn at least some of the public opinion against the plaintiffs. And he knows or should know that his legal opinion is worthless, since he has zero training or experience in the area of antitrust law. Therefore, he is either stupid for repeatedly expressing an worthless opinion, or he is acting at the request of the WPT or one of their agents. Hence, I said he is stupid or a sockpuppet. I really don't see how there is a legitimate 3rd option.I know I sometimes express an opinion on an issue where I'm not an expert, but I pretty much always preface it with a reference to the fact that this is only my opinion, and that I'm not an expert. I have not seen Daniel do this.So, while there are very good reasons why I should have kept my mouth shut about Daniel and just continued to ignore him, I failed to do so. However, I have no problem with what I said. For some reason Daniel has decided to attack the 7 of us who are trying to help every player in the poker world, and I find that very distasteful. As far as I know, he never came up to any of us and asked us why we were doing this. As far as I know, he immediately decided (on his own or with the prompting of the WPT) that we were wrong, and went after us. I thought Daniel was smart enough to understand that maybe he should educate himself on an issue before jumping to (and publicizing) a conclusion. Maybe I was wrong.And to those of you who have supported me and our lawsuit in this thread, I express my thanks. As I said above, I am spending my own money, without any expectation of making a profit, let alone getting that money back, to help all of us. The only disappointment in this whole process to date has been those very few poker players who have posted here and on other forums their displeasure with us for our decision to file this lawsuit. I am sad that they don't understand how we are doing this to help them.Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)"

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I know I sometimes express an opinion on an issue where I'm not an expert, but I pretty much always preface it with a reference to the fact that this is only my opinion, and that I'm not an expert. I have not seen Daniel do this.
I remember him saying that in his video blog...
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I remember him saying that in his video blog...
Same here and he also mentioned that his friend who knows alot about the issue said they have no chance...Why is he posting a response at two plus two? Bring it here...duh...
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"I know I sometimes express an opinion on an issue where I'm not an expert, but I pretty much always preface it with a reference to the fact that this is only my opinion, and that I'm not an expert. I have not seen Daniel do this."Perhaps because it's understood?

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"I know I sometimes express an opinion on an issue where I'm not an expert, but I pretty much always preface it with a reference to the fact that this is only my opinion, and that I'm not an expert. I have not seen Daniel do this."Perhaps because it's understood?
man dwayne wade made a crazy play at the end of that game. *DISCLAIMER* I AM NOT AN NBA COMMENTATOR. I DO NOT HAVE A MASTERS IN SPORTS ANALYSIS. I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS FIELD AND MY COMMENTS SHOULD BE TAKEN AS SUCH.
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Why is he posting a response at two plus two? Bring it here...duh...
He's discussing it there for the same reason you're discussing it here: because he is a regular poster on 2+2. In fact, he was a regular poster there before winning the ME.
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He's discussing it there for the same reason you're discussing it here: because he is a regular poster on 2+2. In fact, he was a regular poster there before winning the ME.
I'm just pointing out that they are arguing with each other through two separate mediums and different audiences. It seems obvious to me that they should be posting in the same thread on the same topic if they want to respond to these issues...But I guess arguing through two separate forums and using us to send their messages back and forth is no big deal..
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I'm just pointing out that they are arguing with each other through two separate mediums and different audiences. It seems obvious to me that they should be posting in the same thread on the same topic if they want to respond to these issues...But I guess arguing through two separate forums and using us to send their messages back and forth is no big deal..
Are you an expert on the issue? If not, then there is no place for it here. At least post a disclaimer for Christ's sake.
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Are you an expert on the issue? If not, then there is no place for it here. At least post a disclaimer for Christ's sake.
Oh **** sorry.**I am not an expert on forums, arguments, the WPT contract or anything else in this thread. This is only my opinion and should be taken as such**
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Are you an expert on the issue? If not, then there is no place for it here. At least post a disclaimer for Christ's sake.
are you an expert on what creditials are required for people to post on speicifc threads regarding spefici topics? if not, post a disclaimer at least.
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Just reminded me of the Star Jones impression Tracy Morgan did on SNL for "The View"..."Let's hit this one issue at a time.Players popping into and out of empty seats:While I don't mind this very much, most of the people I'm playing against appear to find it very annoying. Therefore, I do what I can in the chat box to try and get the offending "poppers" to stop. If that doesn't work, I email support. If somebody is acting like a tool, I don't see why it's a bad thing to call them a tool.Reasons for the lawsuit.The players are paying all the legal bills, and there is not a single online site that is involved in any way whatsoever. We have publicly stated, and we sincerely mean, that we will not accept any settlement that only serves our personal best interests. We will not settle unless the WPT agrees to change their deleterious and illegal practices with respect to ALL players who enter into WPT events. So, while we are doing this for ourselves, we are also doing it for all of you who do already or might in the future play in WPT events.Validity of the lawsuit.It is my personal opinion, as a lawyer who studied antitrust law in Law School, that the WPT is violating the law. Much more importantly, it is the opinion of our attorneys, who are the preeminent sports antitrust lawyers in the world, that the WPT is violating the law.Daniel's actions re the lawsuit.Daniel did not go to law school, nor even to college. He knows nothing about the law, and has never studied it. However, he is openly and continually expressing his opinions about the lawsuit to the public. He knows or should know that his doing so will tend to turn at least some of the public opinion against the plaintiffs. And he knows or should know that his legal opinion is worthless, since he has zero training or experience in the area of antitrust law. Therefore, he is either stupid for repeatedly expressing an worthless opinion, or he is acting at the request of the WPT or one of their agents. Hence, I said he is stupid or a sockpuppet. I really don't see how there is a legitimate 3rd option.I know I sometimes express an opinion on an issue where I'm not an expert, but I pretty much always preface it with a reference to the fact that this is only my opinion, and that I'm not an expert. I have not seen Daniel do this.So, while there are very good reasons why I should have kept my mouth shut about Daniel and just continued to ignore him, I failed to do so. However, I have no problem with what I said. For some reason Daniel has decided to attack the 7 of us who are trying to help every player in the poker world, and I find that very distasteful. As far as I know, he never came up to any of us and asked us why we were doing this. As far as I know, he immediately decided (on his own or with the prompting of the WPT) that we were wrong, and went after us. I thought Daniel was smart enough to understand that maybe he should educate himself on an issue before jumping to (and publicizing) a conclusion. Maybe I was wrong.And to those of you who have supported me and our lawsuit in this thread, I express my thanks. As I said above, I am spending my own money, without any expectation of making a profit, let alone getting that money back, to help all of us. The only disappointment in this whole process to date has been those very few poker players who have posted here and on other forums their displeasure with us for our decision to file this lawsuit. I am sad that they don't understand how we are doing this to help them.Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)"
Actually Raymer, your post shows how close minded you can be. You state that there are only two options, either A) I'm stupid, or B) I'm a sock puppet for the WPT. You also state that I haven't studied the suit. You are wrong on all three fronts. First of all, I am not a lawyer but I have spoken to several lawyers about this case. Lawyers that I trust. Now maybe I'm "stupid" for trusting some of these lawyers, but I don't think so. Without the WPT you'd likely still be selling pieces of yourself to buy into events. That's not supposed to insult you, it's just the truth. The WPT is the key reason that poker has become such a big hit. We could argue that fact, but I just don't see how anyone could possibly argue that the WPT was the catalyst for the WSOP, online poker, and the huge fields we play in today. Frankly, as I've stated before, I really don't even care who is right or wrong in this case. It is my opinion, that everyone will lose because of this lawsuit. While you think you are doing the poker world a favor, I strongly believe that all of the negative attention is the last thing we need right now. Why do you care if the WPT made a deal with MGM/Mirage to hold only WPT events there? If you want to run a tournament, try the Wynn, Stratosphere, Luxor, Golden Nugget, Palms, Hard Rock Cafe, Barbary Coast, Gold Coast, Red Rock, Imperial Palace, Green Valley Ranch, the Orleans, or the hundreds of other casinos in Las Vegas that are available. Lastly, you guys just don't seem to see the bigger picture. Sure, you say this has nothing to do with PokerStars or online poker in any way, but man, it would be totally naive to think that that won't come up. That you will be put under major scrutiny concerning the legality of your relationship with PokerStars. It's going to happen, and the seven of you could potentially make us all suffer. With the legality of online poker making headlines today, the last thing you should want is for some smug politician to find a "new cause."
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Actually Raymer, your post shows how close minded you can be. You state that there are only two options, either A) I'm stupid, or B) I'm a sock puppet for the WPT. You also state that I haven't studied the suit. You are wrong on all three fronts. First of all, I am not a lawyer but I have spoken to several lawyers about this case. Lawyers that I trust. Now maybe I'm "stupid" for trusting some of these lawyers, but I don't think so. Without the WPT you'd likely still be selling pieces of yourself to buy into events. That's not supposed to insult you, it's just the truth. The WPT is the key reason that poker has become such a big hit. We could argue that fact, but I just don't see how anyone could possibly argue that the WPT was the catalyst for the WSOP, online poker, and the huge fields we play in today. Frankly, as I've stated before, I really don't even care who is right or wrong in this case. It is my opinion, that everyone will lose because of this lawsuit. While you think you are doing the poker world a favor, I strongly believe that all of the negative attention is the last thing we need right now. Why do you care if the WPT made a deal with MGM/Mirage to hold only WPT events there? If you want to run a tournament, try the Wynn, Stratosphere, Luxor, Golden Nugget, Palms, Hard Rock Cafe, Barbary Coast, Gold Coast, Red Rock, Imperial Palace, Green Valley Ranch, the Orleans, or the hundreds of other casinos in Las Vegas that are available. Lastly, you guys just don't seem to see the bigger picture. Sure, you say this has nothing to do with PokerStars or online poker in any way, but man, it would be totally naive to think that that won't come up. That you will be put under major scrutiny concerning the legality of your relationship with PokerStars. It's going to happen, and the seven of you could potentially make us all suffer. With the legality of online poker making headlines today, the last think you should want is for some smug politician to find a "new cause."
:club::D:D:D **Disclaimer: I am not an expert on clapping. These claps are my own opinion and should be taken as such***
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DN was a **** for meddling, first of all he wasn't the one who were getting served nor was he suing so he should have no say in a matter as sensitive as this. I think Raymer acted like he should have, after all he is much more directly involved in this, which DN isn't even if he thinks he is. I've seen the vloggs and they are by default something that reflects DN's personal view or feelings and shouldn't be treated like something else. However since DN has sucha big fanbase and most of it containing idiots with no real oppinions of thier own (unless DN says so) nor do they have the time to do thier own research so they just listen to DN, agree then flame on. Subjects, gossip or the oppinions of players as big as DN will be blown up to more of a "personal oppinion" and Raymer saw this. DN is a great, great pokerplayer but is selfcentered like few and really just a pompus ***. (sorry for misspelling some stuff, ME NO HABLA INGLES :club:)Oh yea, since im not a religious man, i e poker is not my religion and DN is not one of my gods im therefore immune to any flames.

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NVM beaten to it.Basically, just said that Daniel's interest in the lawsuit is that it has the potential to shed bad light on online poker, which would be bad for the FCP poker room.

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DN was a **** for meddling, first of all he wasn't the one who were getting served nor was he suing so he should have no say in a matter as sensitive as this. I think Raymer acted like he should have, after all he is much more directly involved in this, which DN isn't even if he thinks he is. I've seen the vloggs and they are by default something that reflects DN's personal view or feelings and shouldn't be treated like something else. However since DN has sucha big fanbase and most of it containing idiots with no real oppinions of thier own (unless DN says so) nor do they have the time to do thier own research so they just listen to DN, agree then flame on. Subjects, gossip or the oppinions of players as big as DN will be blown up to more of a "personal oppinion" and Raymer saw this. DN is a great, great pokerplayer but is selfcentered like few and really just a pompus ***. (sorry for misspelling some stuff, ME NO HABLA INGLES :club:)Oh yea, since im not a religious man, i e poker is not my religion and DN is not one of my gods im therefore immune to any flames.
Ummm...you're missing a disclaimer...unless you are an expert on Daniel fans and their religion...k thx...bye...
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Well guys, we might as well pull up a chair. It looks like the 4th of July's coming 11 months early this year.
hahahaha.my popcorn's already popping. i've both both these threads opened on two different monitors and i'm hitting the f5 button once every 10.9 seconds.
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