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Is it fair to arbitrarily increase punishment to your child?If you were to tell your child that if he or she did a certain sin or mistake, you would implement a certain punishment, and when that infraction took place, you added a number of extra punishment, would you think you were acting in a fair and just manner?A scenario would go like this.If you told your son, if you do not make your bed, I will ground you for 2 days.That same day, he did not or refused to make his bed.You confront him and say that he is grounded for 2 days. At the same time, you tell him that he is also grounded for a further week and also looses all T V privileges and must also do the dishes for a month.Do you think you have dealt fairly with your child?RegardsDL

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Pay attention, we're talking about parenting now.
Refreshing.One mind that can think.You must get lonely here.Then they bitch if I go elsewhere looking for better. Sigh.There is a religious reason for the O P but it is basically for theists if any show up.RegardsDL
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I don't know what is funnier.That you continue to post after being shown for the troll you are.Or that you think you make sense.I think the only real question you should have is: Why did God give me a faulty logic circuit.And the answer of course is: Tell your mom next time not to drop acid while pregnant.

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I don't know what is funnier.That you continue to post after being shown for the troll you are.Or that you think you make sense.I think the only real question you should have is: Why did God give me a faulty logic circuit.And the answer of course is: Tell your mom next time not to drop acid while pregnant.
Hey your god is the one who made a world where the dumber people are, the more likely they are to believe in him (Lynn, Harvey, & Nyborg, 2009). Lynn, R., Harvey, J., & Nyborg, H. (2009). Average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 nations. Intelligence, 37, 1, pp 11-15.
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Do you think you have dealt fairly with your child?
Depends on reasoning. If he refused to make his bed in purposeful defiance of my wishes (spite), then a harsher punishment seems less unreasonable.
Is it fair to arbitrarily increase punishment to your child?
i do not believe that god does things arbitrarily. I believe there is purpose to all actions.
One mind that can think.
care to take an online iq test and see who scores higher? If you think of any other measures that we could use to determine our individual abilities to think (sans religious outlooks) i'd most likely be into that too.
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If you think of any other measures that we could use to determine our individual abilities to think (sans religious outlooks) i'd most likely be into that too.
actually, i'll take back the sans religious outlook part since i believe that hyper intelligent beings (AI's for example) will be theists and that theism is a good measure of higher intelligence.
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I just came back in here to see if anyone had complained about the phrasing of the question (fair::arbitrary) but I see that road hasn't been traveled yet. I do see some of my favourite posters have stopped by though - that always pleases me.

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Hey your god is the one who made a world where the dumber people are, the more likely they are to believe in him (Lynn, Harvey, & Nyborg, 2009). Lynn, R., Harvey, J., & Nyborg, H. (2009). Average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 nations. Intelligence, 37, 1, pp 11-15.
Yea..cause smart atheist are such good people to have around ( Common sense Journal, 2008 )Communism, Fascism, Nazism ( 20th century ) Government ideals founded by atheist which have killed the most people across the entire universe. Atheist Killers, 500million , Christians 5, pp 46-7
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actually, i'll take back the sans religious outlook part since i believe that hyper intelligent beings (AI's for example) will be theists and that theism is a good measure of higher intelligence.
Perhaps you could implement a hyper intelligent being with a look up table.Couldn't you just say, "I believe X to be true" rather "I believe that hypothetical hyper intelligent beings will believe X to be true"?
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Perhaps you could implement a hyper intelligent being with a look up table.
i don't know what you're trying to say here.
Couldn't you just say, "I believe X to be true" rather "I believe that hypothetical hyper intelligent beings will believe X to be true"?
I believe in the Christ. Furthermore, I believe that hypothetical hyper intelligent beings will believe in the Christ. I didn't bring up intelligence, but my beliefs regarding the religious views of hypothetical hyper intelligent beings is a relevant response.edit: oh, i see what you're saying. I should have said "I believe that theism is a mark of higher intelligence, and I believe that higher intelligent beings in the future will be theists" instead of the other way around
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I don't know what is funnier.That you continue to post after being shown for the troll you are.Or that you think you make sense.I think the only real question you should have is: Why did God give me a faulty logic circuit.And the answer of course is: Tell your mom next time not to drop acid while pregnant.
Faulty logic?This from someone who believes that talking animals and a water walking immortal God who can somehow die are real. Give your fat head a shake.That and a creator God who creates in a rather funny way.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNiTsYCkyI8...re=more_relatedRegardsDL
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Depends on reasoning. If he refused to make his bed in purposeful defiance of my wishes (spite), then a harsher punishment seems less unreasonable.
When you set the ----if you do not make your bed the punishment will be a 2 day grounding----if you were not bright enough to include the mental state of any refusal then that is your fault and not the fault of the child.How would you work that out anyway.Reasons for refusal.Just not in the mood ---2 days grounded.Would rather do something else---a good belt.Tells you to screw off after you bug him to do his bed and he still refuses---a good belt and a knife to the leg.Where do arbitrary add ons end?Your parenting sounds like God's idea of free will. A threat.Free will God style.
If God gave a hoot about the free will that He supposedly gave us, He sure is an Indian giver all over the O T where He tramples all over man’s free will to live as He went about killing us at Sodom and using genocide on us in Noah‘s day.God is quite the immoral -------http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78H-tRFShiY
i do not believe that god does things arbitrarily. I believe there is purpose to all actions.
Really.What is the purpose of endless torture in hell.Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?
care to take an online iq test and see who scores higher? If you think of any other measures that we could use to determine our individual abilities to think (sans religious outlooks) i'd most likely be into that too.
You may want to test those who believe in talking animals.RegardsDL
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Time to come clean.I asked for an opinion before hand, because my target, so to speak, are theists who basically agree that it is unfair to add punishments arbitrarily so that I can show them where their God does that immoral thing and thus either open their theist eyes to their unjust God. That and see how they respond in knowing that they do not follow their God and have broken the first commandment by putting their own common sense and or philosophy above God’s. They are to emulate god in every way and in this, they will not. if they are thinkers, it will disturb them and cause them, I hope, to doubt the literal version of the Bible.I do not care if they maintain their faith. It is literal reading that is evil and deadly to common sense as well as moral sense.If I ask it in a religious way first, they will try to bob and weave away from what they themselves believe and do.Theists are the only ones who can B S themselves into believing their own lies. They let their faith drown out what they know to be a truth. -----------------------------------------Think of the myth of Adam and Eve.God’s warning and description of the consequences or punishment was that they would surely die. That was it.We can argue that it was the death of their innocence or their physical death but regardless of which, it was only death that was indicated as the punishment or consequence. In fact, we know that the penalty of physical death was only imposed later so we should be able to conclude with confidence that it was the death of innocence that God was alluding to. After the infraction He arbitrarily adds much more punishment than what He indicated in His covenant with Adam and Eve.God can't break a promise yet He does.My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of my lips.—Psalm 89:34Genesis has God definitely breaking His covenant. 14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.I call that an example of immoral parenting that no self respecting parent should follow. When they do not, they break the first commandment and rightfully place their moral views above God’s.RegardsDL

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