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Just want to get your thoughts on this hand. I have my own opinions. Here is the set up. You are a well known pro playing in the ME. It's day one and you are at the TV table. I don't have stack information so lets just say that everyone in the hand is ~30k (I think that's what starting stack was). I do know blinds are at 150/300Again I don't have exact info so I will do the best I can. These descriptions are from the pro in question so take it for what you will. foldfold"Loose aggressive player" opens for 700"Tight passive older lady" calls 700fold foldcall 700call 700 (there is absolutely no information on these two as well as whether or not they are in late position or in the sb)Hero in bb with QQ calls 700Pot ($3500)Flop 10c-9d-8s5 checksPot ($3500)Turn KdHero bets 1500, Aggro guy calls, Lady calls, fold, fold,Pot ($8000)River 6hHero checks, Aggro checks, Lady bets 1000, Hero folds, Aggro calls 1000Comments on all decisions on every street. Discuss

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This is going to come off as facetious, but I think everyone played this hand like a ****ing clown.Preflop:I can understand why LAGTARD opened, but the "tight passive" call is suspicious (what is she calling with that she can't raise with?). The button and SB flatting is just tilt inducing (for me, esp if I'm Hero). Is it too much to ask for one of these positions to iso-re-raise? And, if I'm the Hero, I am 3 or 4 balling to about 3K and change here. Not a chance I'm letting this many people see a flop with QQ. If I get repopped, then I reassess. Post-flop (assuming it's the 5 way pot):club: second to act, if I don't bet my QQ on that flop, I should be taken out back and shot. With 3500 in the pot, I'm taking a stab for the price of, say, 1850-ish. As played, I check/call the river.Aside from that, I don't know. If this hand really happened, I hope I have enough money to play next year and have some clowns like this sitting at my table.

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I sometimes flat QQ pf as well early in tourneys but with so many callers pf you have to raise to thin the field. you'll also figure out a lot about all holdings regardless of what their action turns out to be. this is kind of using QQ to setmine which i def don't like at any stage of a tourney. JJ you can flat, QQ you have to raise pf imo.

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This is going to come off as facetious, but I think everyone played this hand like a ****ing clown.Aside from that, I don't know. If this hand really happened, I hope I have enough money to play next year and have some clowns like this sitting at my table.
This hand definitely happened though I can't tell you how much information is correct because I'm getting it from the "pro" in question and can't really prove if it is right. I only know that it got filmed for the T.V. table so hopefully it makes the cut so we can see it on ESPN. I posted it because from the description I read, I about fell out of my chair laughing. I will reveal who the pro is after some more discussion for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet.
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????and i dont see how the pro doesnt raise here...he can easily fold to a 4 bet
Yeah, well, Tehtoe has won way more money than me, so what the eff do I know :-)?
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love the pic!

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Raise Pre - If the Loose Aggresive player shoves/4bets and the tight player overshoves, foldRaise Pre - If the loose Aggresive player shoves/4bets and the tight player folds, shove/call

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The "pro" in question is Helmuth. I get some sort of hand of the week thing delivered to my inbox every so often and this was the hand for this week. He goes on and on to explain why he played this hand so smart and above the rim.

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The "pro" in question is Helmuth. I get some sort of hand of the week thing delivered to my inbox every so often and this was the hand for this week. He goes on and on to explain why he played this hand so smart and above the rim.
Didn't Hellmuth also fold QQ with like 8 blinds?
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The "pro" in question is Helmuth. I get some sort of hand of the week thing delivered to my inbox every so often and this was the hand for this week. He goes on and on to explain why he played this hand so smart and above the rim.
Post his 'analysis' so we can all laugh at it.
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Post his 'analysis' so we can all laugh at it.
Video: http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=33usfhh&s=4Was unable to find the analysis, but found this equally amusing
It is now announced that they will break my table, and I'm dealt Q-Q under the gun. I make it $1,800 to go, and now I'm freaking out thinking that I'm going to lose this pot to K-K. Everyone folds to the big blind. (Even though our original table had broke, the Q-9 guy was still at my table, and in the big blind!) Now the Q-9 guy moves all-in for my whole $18,000. Finally, I fold my hand face up, and he shows me A-K.The very next hand, at a different table now, I'm still talking about throwing away pocket queens, when I pick up pocket queens and open for $1,800 again. Incredibly, the big blind moves me all-in! This time I feel like my opponent has J-J or worse, but I still fold my hand face up. The big blind shows 7-7. I don't mind this at all. After all, I could have gone out if he hit a seven. Besides that, who in WSOP history will ever lay down Q-Q in back to back hands, for a single reraise'
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Post his 'analysis' so we can all laugh at it.
Sorry for the lateness of this...
On Day One of the 2010 WSOP Main Event, at the ESPN televised table, the following hand came up.With blinds at $150/$300, an aggressive and loose young player opened for $700, an older woman -- let's call her Lady X -- who was playing tight and passive called, two other players called, and I smooth called with a big hand - pocket queens.The flop came 10c-9d-8s. I checked as did the other four players.The Kd hit on the turn and I bet out $1,500. The kid and Lady X called and the other players folded.The last card was the 6h. I checked and so did the kid, but the lady fired out $1,000.I quickly mucked my hand. The kid, however, agonized before making the call. He probably thought that the lady's bet was so small that he had no choice but to look her up.Well, Lady X showed down 8-8 and scooped the pot with a set of eights.What happened here?I like Lady X's $700 pre-flop call. That being said, since she had already established a reputation as a tight and passive player, it might have been better for her to raise in this spot, especially against a known loose and aggressive player who very possibly was playing a weak hand.Here's a tip: If you're the tight and passive player at the table, occasionally use that image to win a few pots before the flop with a well-sized bet or reraise.As to my quick pre-flop call, it was really a judgment call. Had I studied the hand for a while longer before making that call, an opponent might have assumed that I was actually pretty strong and was just trying to set a trap.On the other hand, the math kids on the internet will probably argue that a raise with pocket queens was the better play. It's true, a raise of around $3,500 would have eliminated at least a few of my opponents, and might have allowed me to win the pot right there.Okay, even I agree that a pre-flop raise would have been the preferred move about eighty percent of the time. But this was the Main Event and I was determined to play small ball poker! There was no good reason for me to risk a ton of chips with pocket queens early on in the biggest tournament in poker when I felt I could skate along and reach the $100,000 chip mark virtually risk-free.As to my check on the flop, well, I probably missed an opportunity to bet there, but checking did give me some flexibility. If one opponent had bet and another had fired in a big raise, I could have easily folded. Or, if everyone had checked, I could have bet the turn with what would have looked like the best hand. And if only one opponent had bet, I could have raised or smooth called, depending on what my reading abilities were telling me at the time.I absolutely hate Lady X's check on the flop. Why give the other players the chance to see a free card after you've just flopped a set? I realize that it was a semi-dangerous flop but she should have bet anyway. A bet of seventy percent of the pot would have been about right.My $1,500 bet on the turn was acceptable. Everyone could have folded or I could have had the best hand, got called, and won the pot later - you never know.
The bolded is my favorite part.
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