Agent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 7:15 AM, said:
I don't agree with this. I have explained why I think calling in this situation is worse than folding.The reason why I made this thread is because my first reaction was to call it as well, but the more I think about it, the more I get convinced that folding in that situation was correct - if my assumptions about my opponent are true:1). He is not suicidal.2). He assumes that I am not suicidal.
There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. Why are you raising with J 7 pre flop and then folding when you have 2 pair? Why are we calling the flop and turn to fold on the river? And are you really going to fold when flopping 2 pair? Fold Pre flop and problem is solved.
nutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 7:47 AM, said:
oh come on...this is a very unlucky (unlikely situation).....what if you raise KJ or K10 on the button and BB calls you with KQ....and there's a king on the flop...are you going to fold K10 KJ on the button preflop?
It's not really that unlikely at all. That # of flops that we can feel comfortable on with J 7 suited are very few.
Agent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 7:56 AM, said:
Fix'd.But really, deepstack post-flop play is all about situations like that. Even if you flop the nuts, you are in a "stupid situation" trying to get full value.
^ This also makes me want to cry. #1 deepstack play is A MILLION times different than playing a SnG with 1500 chips. I have no idea how you can even relate the two. And trying to extract the maximum value is a much better situation than calling off all of your chips with J 7 first hand into a SnG when you could be easily crushed.
nutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 8:27 AM, said:
seriously lol, im gonna stop posting now. So, OP should have gone broke with the hand and raising j7s on the button isn't that bad
It isn't bad. It's awful. And you should be shot for thinking otherwise.
outsider13, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 9:59 AM, said:
I think if a player in a $5 sng check raises you, he's willing to get it in.
^ This is also true. Play at these limits can be a bit funky and people can play a much wider range of hands. But honestly, that is more of a reason to tighten up if anything.