did i make the right move?

[doolis7 0]

Hi guysI was playing in my weekly nl tourney among friends last night, and I was about 5th in chips with apporx, 10x the bb. The folowing hand took place.I get 88 on the button, UTG raises to 2x bb, next guy re-raises to 4x bb, I push all-in. I realize that this may seem a little to agressive but the initial raiser generally will raise with any two cards, and the re-reaiser usually folds when faced with putting all his chips in the middle. So the initial raiser calls with QJ offsuit, and the re-raiser folds.I lose the hand when a J hits the board.The more I think about it I fell that this was an over-aggressive move and maybe I shouldn't have done it, but my reads were somewhat correct, and I think that calling two raises with QJ is not exactly a wise move. Bye the way all of the QJ holders chips were in the pot as well.I welcome any opinions. thanks

[ChuckSty 0]

With two raisers in front of you i would probably want to wait for a better chance to put all my chips in there. Especially if either of them is big stacked and will call you.The way i see it with 8 8 you want to be the first one to show aggresion and surely only want to go up against one opponent at best. However knowing what you said about the way they play it is hard to make the correct read from an outsider's stand point. That's the funny thing about these threads people will come on here and tell you that it is the worst play in the world, and I don't think i would probably do it. But i'm not saying it's an impossibliliy. i play with a few guys who will push the hell out of pots preflop with low pocket pairs and occasionally if I think i have a read on them i will push back, but not generally for all of my chips. IN your situation your tournament life is at stake; do you really want to go in with a hand that if it gets called you know is at best gonna be a race. regardless, just my thoughts

[Jasun Lee 0]

I agree with Chuck.Raising all in with 88 with 2 raises before you, you have to think there is a good chance you are beat, or they have pretty decent drawing hands (i.e. 2 overs like he had). That being said, you knew the players you were sitting with and you seemed to make a good call on what he had, you just made your move with the wrong cards in my opinion.

[Wilderness 0]

I definitely agree that its a pretty aggressive move and you may want to wait for a better spot to put your chips in. But given how you read your opponents (which seemed accurate) I don't think its a bad move at all. I don't know the stack sizes, but it seems like the guy who called you made a bad play. If he considered what hands you are probably holding to make that all-in, his lousy QJo is in trouble to a lot of them. But if either one of them has something like AK then you would expect a call and be in the exact same overcard vs pair coinflip that you ended up losing, so its really nothing to worry about.

[SORROW_HARVESTER 0]

Hi guysI was playing in my weekly nl tourney among friends last night, and I was about 5th in chips with apporx, 10x the bb. The folowing hand took place.I get 88 on the button, UTG raises to 2x bb, next guy re-raises to 4x bb, I push all-in. I realize that this may seem a little to agressive but the initial raiser generally will raise with any two cards, and the re-reaiser usually folds when faced with putting all his chips in the middle. So the initial raiser calls with QJ offsuit, and the re-raiser folds.I lose the hand when a J hits the board.The more I think about it I fell that this was an over-aggressive move and maybe I shouldn't have done it, but my reads were somewhat correct, and I  think that calling two raises with QJ is not exactly a wise move. Bye the way all of the QJ holders chips were in the pot as well.I welcome any opinions.  thanks

Your did exactly the wrong thing, no matter if you won the hand or lost.<///////////////////////********

[kung fu 0]

i think this is one of those situations where you have to think of the game as a whole, rather than just this individual hand. although in some ways this was a bad beat on the flop, however, you should really be wanting to have better hands than 88 with all your chips and those hands will come along eventually (unless of course you are dangerously short stacked). i don't think it was that bad a play, but there's nothing worst than coming second in poker and that's what happened.

[flyingmoose 0]

We don't have nearly enough information to give you much help in this hand.Were you 5th in chips out of 5 people? 10 people? 10,000 people? How many spots pay out? When were the blinds going up next, and how much were they going up to?You had 10x the BB, the next hand you played was probably going to be for all your chips, whether you did it now, or waited until you were anted down to 5-8x the BB or less before picking up a better pair. If you were 5-handed and it was winner take all, then you can ONLY fold this if one of the raisers scratches his nuts when he has 99-AA, and he just scratched his nuts. Or if you feel you can steal enough blinds to get back into the game. There was 1.5 BB out there from the blinds, and 6BB from the raisers. That's 17.5-10 on a race, which isn't bad at all, and your read suggested that you actually have fold equity -- which means you may increase your stack by 3/4 without a showdown at all, and that would be mind-bogglingly awesome. You can only fold this if the tournament strategy dictates it (payout structure). You don't want to get your money in with pocket 8s, but with 10x the BB, you may not have a choice. Again, your optimal move here depends largely on the number of people left, the payout structure, the other chip stacks, and how easily you can steal your way back into contention. We need more info.

[BuzzWorthy 0]

10x the BB is fairly short stacked, so it is probably time to get all in with the best hand you're going to get. The other guy made a bad call with the QJ. I can only assume he had enough chips to afford a call like that. You got all your money in with the best hand, and your read was right. He gambled and got lucky.However, you didn't mention his stack - if he had you badly outchipped, then perhaps it would be right to consider folding, since he could afford to gamble, which is what he chose to do.

[Guest XXEddie]

no, you didntmove in, dont just raise the minimumsince hes stupid enough to re-raise a short stack's minimum raise with QJ......he might of been stupid enough to call anyway