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What do you do?

  1. Call (13 votes [86.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 86.67%

  2. Fold (2 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

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#41 outsider13

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 08:31 AM

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 11:04 AM, said:

You mean on the flop after his check-raise?I have replied to that in one of the posts above, and why I don't like that play in this situation.To sum it up, I think against that kind of opponent we are going to make him fold most of the hands that we are beating, and call us with any hand that beats ours.A 3-outer that he may have does not concern me very much either.So I don't see what the real benefit of shoving there is.
After the check raise, you shove.edit, this is why. Put him on a range, not a hand that crushes you.
	Board: Ks 7h JcDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	68.093%	  68.09% 	00.00% 			 35727 			1.50   { Js7s }Hand 1: 	31.907%	  31.90% 	00.00% 			 16740 			1.50   { JJ-77, K9s+, KTo+ }


#42 Agent 008

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 09:03 AM

View Postoutsider13, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 5:31 PM, said:

After the check raise, you shove.edit, this is why. Put him on a range, not a hand that crushes you.
	Board: Ks 7h JcDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	68.093%	  68.09% 	00.00% 			 35727 			1.50   { Js7s }Hand 1: 	31.907%	  31.90% 	00.00% 			 16740 			1.50   { JJ-77, K9s+, KTo+ }
But what hands out of that range will he call you with that you can beat?I think AK, maybe KQ. J7 for a tie (he was in the bb, after all).If you think he'd be calling you with most of the hands you listed, then sure, shoving is significantly better than calling.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 09:59 AM

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 12:03 PM, said:

But what hands out of that range will he call you with that you can beat?I think AK, maybe KQ. J7 for a tie (he was in the bb, after all).If you think he'd be calling you with most of the hands you listed, then sure, shoving is significantly better than calling.
I think if a player in a $5 sng check raises you, he's willing to get it in.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 01:44 PM

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 7:15 AM, said:

I don't agree with this. I have explained why I think calling in this situation is worse than folding.The reason why I made this thread is because my first reaction was to call it as well, but the more I think about it, the more I get convinced that folding in that situation was correct - if my assumptions about my opponent are true:1). He is not suicidal.2). He assumes that I am not suicidal.
There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. Why are you raising with J 7 pre flop and then folding when you have 2 pair? Why are we calling the flop and turn to fold on the river? And are you really going to fold when flopping 2 pair? Fold Pre flop and problem is solved.

View Postnutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 7:47 AM, said:

oh come on...this is a very unlucky (unlikely situation).....what if you raise KJ or K10 on the button and BB calls you with KQ....and there's a king on the flop...are you going to fold K10 KJ on the button preflop?
It's not really that unlikely at all. That # of flops that we can feel comfortable on with J 7 suited are very few.

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 7:56 AM, said:

Fix'd.But really, deepstack post-flop play is all about situations like that. Even if you flop the nuts, you are in a "stupid situation" trying to get full value.
^ This also makes me want to cry. #1 deepstack play is A MILLION times different than playing a SnG with 1500 chips. I have no idea how you can even relate the two. And trying to extract the maximum value is a much better situation than calling off all of your chips with J 7 first hand into a SnG when you could be easily crushed.

View Postnutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 8:27 AM, said:

seriously lol, im gonna stop posting now. So, OP should have gone broke with the hand and raising j7s on the button isn't that bad
It isn't bad. It's awful. And you should be shot for thinking otherwise. :club:

View Postoutsider13, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 9:59 AM, said:

I think if a player in a $5 sng check raises you, he's willing to get it in.
^ This is also true. Play at these limits can be a bit funky and people can play a much wider range of hands. But honestly, that is more of a reason to tighten up if anything.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 02:30 PM

geez Jspencer you are a bigger douche than lurbz

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 02:36 PM

View Postnutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 3:30 PM, said:

geez Jspencer you are a bigger douche than lurbz
I used the :club: to make it less douchey. I'm sorry it didn't work :ts

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 03:31 PM

View PostJSpencer, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. Why are you raising with J 7 pre flop and then folding when you have 2 pair? Why are we calling the flop and turn to fold on the river? And are you really going to fold when flopping 2 pair? Fold Pre flop and problem is solved.
Protip: the action that we see preflop, on the flop, on the turn and on the river all give us extra information.

View PostJSpencer, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

It's not really that unlikely at all. That # of flops that we can feel comfortable on with J 7 suited are very few.
I suppose you're right. Next time I'll only play suited aces, and I'll shove them preflop.

View PostJSpencer, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

^ This also makes me want to cry. #1 deepstack play is A MILLION times different than playing a SnG with 1500 chips. I have no idea how you can even relate the two. And trying to extract the maximum value is a much better situation than calling off all of your chips with J 7 first hand into a SnG when you could be easily crushed.
1). 150bb is considered a pretty deep stack where I live. What kind of stacks do you guys play with?!2). You've got to be kidding me.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 03:45 PM

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 3:31 PM, said:

Protip: the action that we see preflop, on the flop, on the turn and on the river all give us extra information.I suppose you're right. Next time I'll only play suited aces, and I'll shove them preflop.1). 150bb is considered a pretty deep stack where I live. What kind of stacks do you guys play with?!2). You've got to be kidding me.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:20 AM

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 4:31 PM, said:

Protip: the action that we see preflop, on the flop, on the turn and on the river all give us extra information.I suppose you're right. Next time I'll only play suited aces, and I'll shove them preflop.1). 150bb is considered a pretty deep stack where I live. What kind of stacks do you guys play with?!2). You've got to be kidding me.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:23 AM

View PostAgent 008, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 4:31 PM, said:

Protip: the action that we see preflop, on the flop, on the turn and on the river all give us extra information.I suppose you're right. Next time I'll only play suited aces, and I'll shove them preflop.1). 150bb is considered a pretty deep stack where I live. What kind of stacks do you guys play with?!2). You've got to be kidding me.
wow, you are serious aren't you!!! What site do you play on? i think i speak for everyone when i say i would love to play in sit n gos w/you. you are absolutely clueless and you don't even realize it. my advice would be to play free poker until you learn how to play.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:06 AM

View Postcashman, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 5:23 AM, said:

my advice would be to play free poker until you learn how to play.
Bad advice :)Free poker teaches you nothing. If anything, you will pick up more bad habits than good ones.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:41 AM

View PostJSpencer, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 6:06 AM, said:

Bad advice :)Free poker teaches you nothing. If anything, you will pick up more bad habits than good ones.
But at least he would be saving money :club:

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:43 AM

Jspencer owning some fucking souls

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 07:26 AM

View Postdonk4life, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 7:43 AM, said:

Jspencer has no fucking soul
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