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you know your organization is in a good place when you call a press conference just to announce that you aren't firing your GM.

 

AND announce you have a plan to get into the playoffs.

Better keep that a secret, dont want to let 8 other Western conference hear about this plan.

 

 

Also, I absolutely love the "Going to keep Peter C as GM, other GM's like talking trade with him"

Yes, I'm sure they do!

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We will soon be unveiling a plan to make the playoffs made it sound very secretive and I also wondered if Chiarelli was like....wait, I have a plan?

 

And that made me think of something that I think only Steve would appreciate, if anyone..... (West Wing 1min scene)

 

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We will soon be unveiling a plan to make the playoffs made it sound very secretive and I also wondered if Chiarelli was like....wait, I have a plan?

 

And that made me think of something that I think only Steve would appreciate, if anyone..... (West Wing 1min scene)

 

lol knew it would be Josh's secret plan to fight inflation before I clicked the link.

 

I just finished a west wing binge watch. Now watching the Office.

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She's just ignorant as to how many people relate to the victims, and not based on race.

 

The messages and responses she's received are worse.

 

Found it interesting that even in this thread, she was insulted repeatedly and this was the closest that anyone came to actually addressing it.

 

I think you’re partially right Dale, but also that maybe you underestimate how much race is related to it - I would argue it is only tangentially to being a small-town (mostly white) hockey (mostly white) story (and would’ve made no difference if a couple kids were not white)

 

If this is a bus full of native kids on their way to lacrosse, or a bus of mixed-race kids on their way to basketball practice, it doesn’t have $9 million of fundraising and a national dress code. A cynic would ask why is this any more tragic than those. A good answer would be because we’re all Canadian and a bunch of kids (white by default of living in a small prairie or northern Ontario town) in their hockey sweaters isn’t ‘just’ a horrible tragedy of a bunch of kids but a visceral attack on something so familiar to us that it feels closer to us personally than if it was something that we didn’t identify with, like 250 Algerians in a plane crash or dozens of disappearing Native women.

 

I know of several Canadians( who don’t necessarily ‘identify’ with a bunch of white boys playing hockey like the way most of us do) are feeling a little grossed out by this enormous reaction, but I have no clue why anyone with an audience would say that out loud now. This isn’t like the gun debate in the US where ‘talk about it later’ is code for ‘never’ - there’s no reason why she or anyone else couldn’t have talked about this in a month when people weren’t so raw. Some people who are screaming at her now might even agree with it in the future but to say it now is absurd - people aren’t in a headspace for a cold intellectual discussion (a lot of people would scream at her in the future too).

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Grossed out by the enormous reaction?

 

That’s sad and I would hope I don’t run into any of those people.

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A big issue with her comment is that she sort of lumped everyone together. Are there people out there who would feel differently if it was a group of native kids or a group of black kids? Of course. Or if they were on their way to a non-hockey event? Yes. But I doubt we're hearing from many of those people anyway because they lack empathy to begin with...although I'm sure there are a few people reacting to the tragedy for appearances only. There are all kinds out there.

 

The majority of people reacted to this because they can relate to it. Not because they are white, but because they've ridden the bus or have children who do or can empathize with a parent who loses a child.

 

****! I feel bad for the truck driver.

 

A couple of days after the accident a bus full of children in India crashed and killed everyone on board. I didn't see much mention of it. In fact, I'm only 90% sure it was in India and I want to say it was 23 kids, but that's just a guesstimate. There was no hashtag or GoFundMe for them.

 

Anyway, I'm starting to go on like DannyG ;) so to wrap it up... people should let people grieve how they need to grieve. It's a very personal thing and anyone who criticizes how another person grieves should be licked by Brad Marchand.

 

 

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Bear with me here, trying to not make this sound all typical zach anti-car, and more sensitive and thoughtful. My goal is saving lives, nothing more.

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I think it’s natural to empathize with the driver here. He will have a hard time living with himself no matter how it went down.

 

But for the sake of argument, I’m curious how your level of “feel bad” changes depending on what actually happened.

 

Looking at the crash site, I think it’s incredibly likely the truck driver blew a stop sign at full speed. The bus had no stop sign or any other traffic controls. (Note the investigation is ongoing so this is purely speculative.)

 

So, what could have happened? A medical issue for the truck driver is a possibility. Maybe it was a complete freak thing, entirely unpredictable, something previously undiagnosed. That would be a terrible accident.

 

But what if he was distracted? Changing the radio? Texting? Watching a video on his phone? Maybe he ignored laws and drove too many hours in a row and fell asleep (and maybe his boss is culpable for encouraging him to do that).

 

I mean, if it comes out that he was texting, didn’t notice the sign that said “stop sign 200m ahead, didn’t notice the well lit intersection in the distance. Didn’t see the giant flashing red light atop the giant high viz stop sign?

 

I’m kind of curious what the tipping point would be.

 

I mean, for me, to whatever it is, I feel bad for him for this happening, but if it comes out that he was negligent in any of the above ways, I hope that some level of justice is served through the courts. We all know how critical I’ve been of distracted/aggressive driving cases that end in dead people, $150 fines and 30 day license suspensions.

 

But I can totally see still empathizing with his situation. Because it’s so easy to see ourselves in that situation, I think. A momentary lapse in judgment and you’re responsible for a tragedy like this. Brutal.

 

I’m very curious to see the results of the investigation. Maybe everything I’ve written here will prove to be way off base. But if it comes out he was texting or something, I hope it could lead to a serious moment of self reflection for this country because this shit happens every day, it’s just not always a bus full of kids, thankfully.

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The only thing I've heard, and who knows if it's true, is that he had only been trucking a month.

 

I'll feel bad regardless of what the cause was, but I'll have a lot less sympathy for him if he was texting while driving. I've accidentally blown a stop sign before when I wasn't distracted by anything (except the thoughts in my head). Luckily it was a 4-way and nobody else was around.

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The only thing I've heard, and who knows if it's true, is that he had only been trucking a month.

 

I'll feel bad regardless of what the cause was, but I'll have a lot less sympathy for him if he was texting while driving. I've accidentally blown a stop sign before when I wasn't distracted by anything (except the thoughts in my head). Luckily it was a 4-way and nobody else was around.

 

Good point. I can recall doing the same. No handheld device, just general brainless distraction.

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Truckers should be forced to listen to music that has subtle siren sounds in the background while they drive. That shit always snaps me out of the fog.

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I’m going to feel bad for the driver pretty much no matter what. He made a stupid mistake without malicious intent and is personally responsible for an inconceivable amount of suffering. He has to live with that for the rest of his life. I don’t think he should be outside the law, but it won’t change whether I will have sympathy for him.

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I have a couple of truck driver friends here in California. Getting a driving license to drive a truck is hard and the background checks, drug tests, courses etc. Not sure the rules in Saskatchewan but I would assume similar Zach you make some very good points. Currently I feel really bad for the driver. But how would I feel if he was drunk? How would I feel if he was distracted? Or how would I feel if he just made a mistake ? It’s tough. If I mess up in my business I may lose a client. If I really mess up. I might get sued. Big deal. It’s money. I have insurance. If these guys mess up innocent people are killed. It’s a huge responsibility.

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I’m going to feel bad for the driver pretty much no matter what. He made a stupid mistake without malicious intent and is personally responsible for an inconceivable amount of suffering. He has to live with that for the rest of his life. I don’t think he should be outside the law, but it won’t change whether I will have sympathy for him.

 

I understand what you're saying, but texting while driving isn't really a mistake. It's a choice. It's similar to getting behind the wheel when drunk. Drunk drivers don't have any malicious intent when they drive.

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bottom line for me on the above

 

Truck driver ****ed up in some way unless there was a medical issue. We probably will never know exactly how. If he's a normal person what he will live through will be far more punishment than he will get in the courts but I do agree with Zach that he has to punished to the full extent that the evidence shows. He should never be allowed to drive a truck ever again.

 

The SJW woman is brain dead with zero self awareness and probably little contact with this country outside of the big city and while she wants people to think about the plight of the disenfranchised she did little thinking herself. There is a divide in this country between the experiences of people in big cities and in other places and her attitude is a sign of that.

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I understand what you're saying, but texting while driving isn't really a mistake. It's a choice. It's similar to getting behind the wheel when drunk. Drunk drivers don't have any malicious intent when they drive.

 

we don't know if he was texting, and probably will never know. So I'm gonna go ahead and feel bad for the driver :)

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we don't know if he was texting, and probably will never know. So I'm gonna go ahead and feel bad for the driver :)

 

But we were talking about IF he was texting.

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