Good Play?

[Gallo 1]

I was just wondering if I made a good play here:The blinds were at 150/300 I had the chip lead, but barely. I was in the BB with K9off.We were 4 handed, top 3 pay. Chip counts aren't accurateMe (BB)-4500UTG-3300Button-800SB-2500Anyway, UTG limps for 300, button folds, SB folds, I shoved. My reasoning for shoving was basically to just steal, but I figured that unless UTG had a big pair he would fold not wanting to risk being out of the money because the Button only had 800 left and the blinds were going to go up. Anyway, UTG called with 66. I missed and lost. I was just wondering if this was a good play here by me and if UTG was correct in calling, even if he knew he was ahead.I know this is results oriented here, but oh well.

[Zach6668 513]

I know this is results oriented here, but oh well.

Don't post results, and you can have a proper discussion.

[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

I ignored the results, since clearly this was posted because you busted. But yeah, don't post results. Smart plays are high percentage plays, and the idea is for others to point out smart plays without prejudice.In the blinds, vs a limper, I don't shove here with K9off. Steal success depends on stack size, reads and luck. Also, shoves look like blatant steal attempts, so if anyone else has some sort of decent or made hand, you're getting called and then it's a coin flip for a good portion of your stack. In other words, unless you have a massive stack edge and/or a power pair, don't try to steal with a shove. It's Russian Roulette.

[ChrisRichey 1]

I really don't like it with the supershortstack with an M<2.

[Gallo 1]

Don't post results, and you can have a proper discussion.

Ok, this is where I get confused sometimes as far as not posting results, which part should I have ommitted (sp?). I had a few questions about this situation concerning my push and his call. Whether or not I busted didn't matter to me which is why I guess I posted that result.

[Gallo 1]

I ignored the results, since clearly this was posted because you busted. But yeah, don't post results. Smart plays are high percentage plays, and the idea is for others to point out smart plays without prejudice.In the blinds, vs a limper, I don't shove here with K9off. Steal success depends on stack size, reads and luck. Also, shoves look like blatant steal attempts, so if anyone else has some sort of decent or made hand, you're getting called and then it's a coin flip for a good portion of your stack. In other words, unless you have a massive stack edge and/or a power pair, don't try to steal with a shove. It's Russian Roulette.

I understand what you're saying. I knew that if he called and I lost I would still have about 1500 or so. I figured my edge here was the fact that there was a very short stack at the table who would probably bust out soon because blinds were just too high unless he got very lucky. Of course, I wouldn't call an all in in this situation with K9. But I was hoping he would lay down his hand if he had a small pocket pair or some type of marginal holding not wanting to race at the time with a very shortstack behind him.These are just my thoughts on the situation, I'm not trying to push my opinion, just stating my thoughts.As far as busting, I may have lost the hand, but was able to make the money.

[Gallo 1]

I really don't like it with the supershortstack with an M<2.

My push or UTG's call?

[BeaverStyle 1]

My push or UTG's call?

I'd say both, but you control your play, so when he limps super short stacked like that, he's obviously putting all his chips in (unless he's a complete moron, which DOES happen...)I'd see a flop.

[Zach6668 513]

Ok, this is where I get confused sometimes as far as not posting results, which part should I have ommitted (sp?). I had a few questions about this situation concerning my push and his call. Whether or not I busted didn't matter to me which is why I guess I posted that result.

Well, meh.If you're asking about the push, don't include the fact that he called, and what his hand was. Essentially, you only want to include what you knew at the time of your decision.On the other hand, if you wanted to ask about his call, what I would do is wait a little bit, then when you post results, ask your question on that topic, or, start a new topic trying not to give away that they are the same hand, perhaps.It just makes the discussion infinitely better if we don't know he has called with his hand.- Zach

[Gallo 1]

Well, meh.If you're asking about the push, don't include the fact that he called, and what his hand was. Essentially, you only want to include what you knew at the time of your decision.On the other hand, if you wanted to ask about his call, what I would do is wait a little bit, then when you post results, ask your question on that topic, or, start a new topic trying not to give away that they are the same hand, perhaps.It just makes the discussion infinitely better if we don't know he has called with his hand.- Zach

Ok, sounds good. Thanx.

[mjd 0]

I'd say, that with the short stack being so short, UTG has a good enough hand to call a raise and, in fact, expects the betting to reopen when the short stack pushes. As played, you're getting a free flop with a crappy hand against someone who was expecting a raise, but didn't get one. Take the flop and reassess.-M

[ChrisRichey 1]

My push or UTG's call?

Both. There is no need for your push imo, and the call is really bad because he is at best a coinflip with a very shortstack on the bubble.

[Gallo 1]

Both. There is no need for your push imo, and the call is really bad because he is at best a coinflip with a very shortstack on the bubble.

Ok, seems consensus is to see a free flop and go from there. It's just sometimes in situations like this I don't mind putting people to a decision for all their chips, especially on the bubble and with a shortstack.Even though, I have a different mindset on this situation, the next time I will definitely rethink this and probably take a flop. Probably better off pushing on the flop than preflop anyway.Thanx guys for the input.And Zach, I will keep the "results posting" in mind next time.