Weakest Hand Ever - 3-6 Live

[princeof56k 0]

The hand is so boring but I just wanted to make sure I'm not crazy here.The local casinos are about the weakest places you could imagine. On about 3 occassions I've seen it get get folded all the way around to the blinds. In which case, they people usually mutually agree to just take back the blinds and move the button for the next hand. Like the hand never happened.This was one of those occassions. The blinds are 1/3 and I'm in the small blind with JQo. Its folded all the way around to me and I'm just about to ask the guy if he wants to take back the blinds. Before I can do this, he asks if I want to complete my blind and run the cards. He also flips over his cards which are A8 suited. I immediately say ok. When the rest of the table sees what I have, they have the look of horror on their face like its the dumbest thing they've ever seen. It was made worse when I spiked a J on the flop. I heard one guy whisper that was the dumbest call he's seen in a while.Didnt I have to call? There's 4 in pot with 2 to call. I'm not that much of an underdog here. Am I?

[Zach6668 513]

You're about a 3:2 dog, if I'm not mistaken. I would have just chopped it up though, meh. Most players will get pissed if you don't chop, lol. I've never seen them just run the board like that though.

[DCJ001 0]

3:2 dog getting 2:1 on your $2 to call. I always just chop, but you both have to chop before looking at your cards, if you chop.

[DrZebra 0]

The hand is so boring but I just wanted to make sure I'm not crazy here.The local casinos are about the weakest places you could imagine. On about 3 occassions I've seen it get get folded all the way around to the blinds. In which case, they people usually mutually agree to just take back the blinds and move the button for the next hand. Like the hand never happened.This was one of those occassions. The blinds are 1/3 and I'm in the small blind with JQo. Its folded all the way around to me and I'm just about to ask the guy if he wants to take back the blinds. Before I can do this, he asks if I want to complete my blind and run the cards. He also flips over his cards which are A8 suited. I immediately say ok. When the rest of the table sees what I have, they have the look of horror on their face like its the dumbest thing they've ever seen. It was made worse when I spiked a J on the flop. I heard one guy whisper that was the dumbest call he's seen in a while.Didnt I have to call? There's 4 in pot with 2 to call. I'm not that much of an underdog here. Am I?

Are you sure they weren't gasping because post-rake the winner of the pot gets his BB back and the loser gets nothing?

[Zach6668 513]

Are you sure they weren't gasping because post-rake the winner of the pot gets his BB back and the loser gets nothing?

Usually it's $10 min to rake, at least at this casino, so they don't rake if they just call and check it down.

[BuffDan 0]

3:2 dog getting 2:1 on your $2 to call. I always just chop, but you both have to chop before looking at your cards, if you chop.

This isn't the case at the Bike, or at least if it is they are lax about it; as long as the two people agree to a chop they don't seem to care if either looked at their cards.Also, for what it's worth, here they take the rake out as soon as it goes to the flop so the only reason (at least at the lower limits) to complete and then check it down is to try to hit the jackpot.

[Abbaddabba 0]

There is a min rake of $1 at most places ive been to.

[princeof56k 0]

Usually it's $10 min to rake, at least at this casino, so they don't rake if they just call and check it down.

This is what happened. They dont rake on a pot that small.And yes, I wanted to chop it. The other guy wanted to run it.And I do think they were surprised by my call. Someone made a comment that I was dominated preflop. Oh well.

[Zach6668 513]

lol, you weren't dominated by any means.

[Actuary 3]

To clarify, did you have the option of taking back your sb after he flipped th cards?Or was it a choice between Complete, or Fold ?Because taking back the sb is a better play than calling, if that was an option.Calling is better than folding though.

[shpaget 0]

You're better than 40% to win (even if you don't have one of his suit).Your call is 33%....even if there is a $1 rake it is exactly 40%.In either case, the call is profitable.Chopping is more profitable if he is still willing to offer that choice.Frankly, once he shows his A8, I'm playing the hand out...maybe even raising pf.

[princeof56k 0]

To clarify, did you have the option of taking back your sb after he flipped th cards?Or was it a choice between Complete, or Fold ?Because taking back the sb is a better play than calling, if that was an option.Calling is better than folding though.

I think we still couldve chopped at that point if I wouldve asked and he agreed. I'm not sure about the casino rules, but I think they would let this go. I couldve folded also. I'm not sure if they would let us keep betting had I asked to play out the hand after he showed his cards (not sure about the rules and how strictly they're enforced).I think I see your point though.

[WaitingforMyRuca 0]

Most people will chop with even very strong hands, mainly cause of the rake. In the casinos that I play at there is a bad beat jackpot, so usually one of the players will ask the other if they have a jackpot hand. If they both have a potential jackpot hand they might check it down and chop after the hand. This might not always be the case, but if I were you I would have asked if he wanted to check the whole way then chop after the hand. If he says no then I wouldn't check it down.

[shpaget 0]

Most people will chop with even very strong hands, mainly cause of the rake. In the casinos that I play at there is a bad beat jackpot, so usually one of the players will ask the other if they have a jackpot hand. If they both have a potential jackpot hand they might check it down and chop after the hand. This might not always be the case, but if I were you I would have asked if he wanted to check the whole way then chop after the hand. If he says no then I wouldn't check it down.

And in most casinos that simple exchange will void any bad beat jackpot. You can not openly collude to check a pot down.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The whole idea of chopping is that you're heads up, the pot is going to be raked and both hands are often weak so players just forgo the hand and take their money back. Proper etiquette is that you either chop or you don't, it's not based on your hand strength. If you chop, then you do it every time, with AA or with T2, it doesn't matter.In this hand, I'm gonna throw in 2$ every time and run it out. It improves your image (for $2 only) becuase it shows that you're willing to gamble a little bit. You're not really giving up much by calling and you're getting the right price to do so. The math is obvious that chopping>calling>folding, but even if he said we could play or chop, I'm still gonna call cause it shows that I'm willing to gamble a little bit. I will give up a few cents of EV in the long run to improve my image at the table, which will certainly cover that minimal loss.

[Acid_Knight 2]

And in most casinos that simple exchange will void any bad beat jackpot. You can not openly collude to check a pot down.

This is almost universally true.Also, you always have a jackpot hand. After all, T 2 can make a straight flush and lose to 8 K when the board runs out 3 4 5 6 7

[Ouch-8s 4]

This is almost universally true.Also, you always have a jackpot hand. After all, T 2 can make a straight flush and lose to 8 K when the board runs out 3 4 5 6 7

You have to use both hole cards where I play.

[Zach6668 513]

You have to use both hole cards where I play.

Ya, that's the case in most places.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Ya, that's the case in most places.

I was just guessing. I don't play at places that have bad beat jackpots.

[Zach6668 513]

I was just guessing. I don't play at places that have bad beat jackpots.

High hand at Caesar's is the same deal.The guy that had quads in the hand I posted with my AQ didn't get it since he didn't use both hole cards.

[WaitingforMyRuca 0]

And in most casinos that simple exchange will void any bad beat jackpot. You can not openly collude to check a pot down.

You are absolutely right. But when you ask the other person and they don't say anything, but call anyways, it is still live.Nobody at the table is even allowed to say anything when it is obvious that you are about to hit a jackpot. Most people who frequent cardrooms enough will make sure not to do anything that might kill it. If there is a board that looks like it has jackpot potential then they aren't going to chop anything. They are going to try and get money in the pot. At the casinos I play at there has to be a certain amount of money in the pot so the jackpot doesn't get taxed. You can openly collude to check down a pot if you want where i play, just not for the jackpot. I do it all the time, the person that wins the pot chops it after. This agreement is made usually for the "high hand" promotion and another promotion that has to do with hitting a full house or better. Usually asking to chop is the norm. *shrug*I guess i should have said that instead.

[quadaces 0]

Where I play its no flop no drop. If they put out the flop then Fu.ck the players even if they check it down they still rake the $3

[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

One thing I like to do is, at the start of a limit session, turn to the person on my left and ask if he/she chops. I'm flexible and prefer to do what they prefer, since 99% of the time, the hand I have in the SB/BB isn't worth playing anyway, especially in a tiny pot heads-up.As for Bad Beat Jackpots... LOLOLOLOLOLOL might as well play Powerball.