Best Laydown Ever? Or Best Bluff Ever?

[TareqB 0]

Hey everyone, this is a hand I want to discuss with you. I am not sure if I did the right move here.I was playing with a bunch of my friends a low stakes cash game. Blinds were 2-4$. It was a 6 handed game, and I played with these same players many times, so I know their game very well.UTG raised it to 8$. I know he is a very weak and loose player.It was folded to me (on the button), and i looked down at 9 J . I loved my hand.Playing against the loose player, I knew I had a chance of beating him easily, and I had position over him!I wanted to isolate myself with him. So I raised to 16$, and was almost confident he will call me. To my surprise, the BB (lets call him Villian) called my raise. Villian is a very extremely tight player, but is also a very good player. I knew immediately he wouldn't call a re-raise unless he's got a really strong hand. I put him on a pocket pair, or A-K. As he called UTG immediately folded.We went to the flop, and it was 9 A J .I loved the flop. I just made 2 pair. And there were no draws to worry me.Villian checked. I thought, he made nothing! Now I was putting him on Q-Q, 10-10. I was also worried he had A-A. I wanted to make a bet here, but thought if he had anything less than a pair of Aces, he will fold, and I do not want that; I want to trap him. I thought of making a very small bet, but thought I would show strength by that, and he will no where I am at. So, I checked.The turn came J . Wow! A full house!!! I was so happy with that card.Villian was first to act, and he bet 20$ into the 46$ pot. This bet worried me. He almost never bluffs, and it was a small bet relatively, which made me think he wants me to call here. I had a full house and chose to re-raise him to 60$. He called. This confused me a lot. He is very tight, and with 2 Jacks on the board, he would almost never call unless he has a good hand.The turn came a 2 . Seemed like a useless card.He checked to me, and I raised 100$. He moved in for almost 300$.I was stunned by this bet. He is a very tight player, how will he make this bet???So, before I continue I'd like to ask. Is he bluffing, or he holds A-A or A-J and has me beat? Or does he have a good hand which I can beat??As he raised I sat and thought about the hand for a long time. I was almost convinced he won't make a bluff here. But I thought, he knows that I see him as a tight player, and maybe he is using this image to bluff me out of a huge pot. On the other hand, I really believed he had a hand. At this time I knew he had one of two hands. A-A, where he has me crushed with a better full house, or A-K, and he believes I do not have a J, and probably is putting me on a weaker Ace. I doubt he has A-J. Because if he had A-J he wouldn't call my raise pre-flop out of position, he is that tight!!I had almost 400$ in front of me now. I bought in for 300$, so I was up about a 100$. I thought of it for a long time. I finally decided, he has A-A, and has Aces full. I was very tempted to call, but thought I better lay it down - so I did lay down my full house to his all in.He mucked his hand immediately. I showed him my full house as I folded. I did this to let the others think they can try to bluff me, and this helped me a lot later on, as I called 3 big bluffs a few hands later. But I asked him what he had. He did not tell me!!My mind was turning the whole night. Was I bluffed, and bluffed really well?? Or did I just make a great laydown??So, what do you think??Tareq

[No_Neck 0]

Hey everyone, this is a hand I want to discuss with you. I am not sure if I did the right move here.I was playing with a bunch of my friends a low stakes cash game. Blinds were 2-4$. It was a 6 handed game, and I played with these same players many times, so I know their game very well.UTG raised it to 8$. I know he is a very weak and loose player.It was folded to me (on the button), and i looked down at 9 J . I loved my hand.Playing against the loose player, I knew I had a chance of beating him easily, and I had position over him!I wanted to isolate myself with him. So I raised to 16$, and was almost confident he will call me. To my surprise, the BB (lets call him Villian) called my raise. Villian is a very extremely tight player, but is also a very good player. I knew immediately he wouldn't call a re-raise unless he's got a really strong hand. I put him on a pocket pair, or A-K. As he called UTG immediately folded.We went to the flop, and it was 9 A J .I loved the flop. I just made 2 pair. And there were no draws to worry me.Villian checked. I thought, he made nothing! Now I was putting him on Q-Q, 10-10. I was also worried he had A-A. I wanted to make a bet here, but thought if he had anything less than a pair of Aces, he will fold, and I do not want that; I want to trap him. I thought of making a very small bet, but thought I would show strength by that, and he will no where I am at. So, I checked.The turn came J . Wow! A full house!!! I was so happy with that card.Villian was first to act, and he bet 20$ into the 46$ pot. This bet worried me. He almost never bluffs, and it was a small bet relatively, which made me think he wants me to call here. I had a full house and chose to re-raise him to 60$. He called. This confused me a lot. He is very tight, and with 2 Jacks on the board, he would almost never call unless he has a good hand.The turn came a 2 . Seemed like a useless card.He checked to me, and I raised 100$. He moved in for almost 300$.I was stunned by this bet. He is a very tight player, how will he make this bet???So, before I continue I'd like to ask. Is he bluffing, or he holds A-A or A-J and has me beat? Or does he have a good hand which I can beat??As he raised I sat and thought about the hand for a long time. I was almost convinced he won't make a bluff here. But I thought, he knows that I see him as a tight player, and maybe he is using this image to bluff me out of a huge pot. On the other hand, I really believed he had a hand. At this time I knew he had one of two hands. A-A, where he has me crushed with a better full house, or A-K, and he believes I do not have a J, and probably is putting me on a weaker Ace. I doubt he has A-J. Because if he had A-J he wouldn't call my raise pre-flop out of position, he is that tight!!I had almost 400$ in front of me now. I bought in for 300$, so I was up about a 100$. I thought of it for a long time. I finally decided, he has A-A, and has Aces full. I was very tempted to call, but thought I better lay it down - so I did lay down my full house to his all in.He mucked his hand immediately. I showed him my full house as I folded. I did this to let the others think they can try to bluff me, and this helped me a lot later on, as I called 3 big bluffs a few hands later. But I asked him what he had. He did not tell me!!My mind was turning the whole night. Was I bluffed, and bluffed really well?? Or did I just make a great laydown??So, what do you think??Tareq

Dont share the results as it will effect responses, probably a good laydown.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

First of all FYP - you have two turns.My bottom line is - You have to trust your reads and live with the results.I do think you got way too cute in checking the flop - you got no information from the Villan and that allowed you to get in the infinite death spiral of 2nd - 3rd - 4th... guessing based on too little information.You trapped yourself - not him.In my experience, in most situations like this when the Villan has the hand he will show it.I think you got bluffed - but lived to fight another day. Either way get over it and trust your reads and live with the results.

[iggymcfly 0]

FTR, I really doubt that villian was bluffing here. I'm pretty sure that when he pushed he thought his hand was best. I do think that trips or nines full are pretty strong possibilities though. Just because villian's tight doesn't mean that he won't try to take advantage of implied odds with something like JTs in the BB facing two tiny raises.A lot of the analysis is contradictory here. For instance, I can't imagine that a villian that's too tight to call a small raise with AJ PF would consider pushing AK on a 9AJJ2 board after facing a raise on the turn. Villian would have to be 100x looser to do the 2nd play then the first. OP's the only one that can really know villian well enough to know what the right play is here though or if villian was likely to have had the hand in retrospect. He already expressed that he had a really strong read so it's pretty hard for us to pin down a better hand range in that situation.

[canateian 0]

Probably a good fold, if im live i probably fold it, if online i probably insta shove cuz im writing a term paper, watchin tv and watching porn while playing and see a full house and i think OMGZ push.

[David_Nicoson 1]

It may not seem like it, but UTG's stack size is relevant. The BB may be playing something speculative if UTG's stack is worth taking a shot.

[krup24 0]

It may not seem like it, but UTG's stack size is relevant. The BB may be playing something speculative if UTG's stack is worth taking a shot.

I agree here. This can easily be TJ, JQ, JK. I don't think I fold this ever.

[benhoug 0]

UTG raised it to 8$. I know he is a very weak and loose player.It was folded to me (on the button), and i looked down at 9 J . I loved my hand.I wanted to isolate myself with him. So I raised to 16$, Villian checked. I thought, he made nothing! Now I was putting him on Q-Q, 10-10. I was also worried he had A-A. I wanted to make a bet here, but thought if he had anything less than a pair of Aces, he will fold, and I do not want that; I want to trap him. I thought of making a very small bet, but thought I would show strength by that, and he will no where I am at. So, I checked.The turn came J . Wow! A full house!!! I was so happy with that card.Villian was first to act, and he bet 20$ into the 46$ pot. This bet worried me. He almost never bluffs, and it was a small bet relatively, which made me think he wants me to call here. I had a full house and chose to re-raise him to 60$. He called. This confused me a lot. He is very tight, and with 2 Jacks on the board, he would almost never call unless he has a good hand.He checked to me, and I raised 100$. He moved in for almost 300$.So, before I continue I'd like to ask. Is he bluffing, or he holds A-A or A-J and has me beat? Or does he have a good hand which I can beat??So, what do you think??Tareq

I think your analysis is terrible on every street. Don't fall in love w/ J9 suited. It's a fun hand to play, but not one you fall in love with. If you're going to re-raise, then make it $25ish. Your re-raise does nothing.Bet the flop.Don't fold the fullhouse. If he has AA, well, then you got unlucky. Folding here is ridiculous.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

I have a strange feeling the Poster is Japanese, and the OP was fed through a translation engine....

[ChrisRichey 1]

I like how it was more of a story than a hand history. I don't think I fold this though.

[Gus_Herbert 0]

Bet the flop for information. But in the end - Pay it off.Nevertheless I admire your careful analysis throughout the hand, and Aces full is a possibility. I don't think A J was, or A K. It was either Aces full, or napkins. But the check-raise all in on the river, is a pretty damn strong move, it takes a lot of heart to bluff all in on that. In conclusion, It worked out really well for you. You made a possible AMAZING LAYDOWN and it led to people bluffing off chips to you. And Bam! You had a good night, so be happy with your results and keep playing welll.butttttt everyone else is right, you gotta bet the flop, your re-raise to $16, it's cool I like that style. But bet the flop, if he smooth calls you, wellll nowwww you should be a little worried. Maybe then u can check behind him on the turn and call the river : although that sounds crazy with a full house, but hey if your gut is telling you Aces you lose the minimum - and u get to find out if your right.You did trap yourself, but your confidence in your laydown is admirable. Keep it up.

[benhoug 0]

FTR, I really doubt that villian was bluffing here. I'm pretty sure that when he pushed he thought his hand was best. r us to pin down a better hand range in that situation.

I think this is key here. Villian is acting strong partly b/c OP acted so weak, and partly b/c he had a good hand himself. I agree that villian was not bluffing, but got OP to lay down WAAAAAAAYYY the best hand. He probably took a flop w/ some kind of suited Jack, (my guess being J K or J T )and thought himself very lucky to catch trips on the turn.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I was playing at a Casino when a guy flopped a nut flush. He bet and got pushed off the hand when another player bet back at him. They both showed their hands. The winner was on a staight draw (no flush possibilities). The nut flush guy was sitting next to me. I said: "Why in the world would you lay that down?!?!?" He said: "That other guy is my Brother in Law. The same thing happened once and he wound up with the straight flush. I thought he was going to have it again."I said: "You are officially his girlfriend"

[UncleCollins 0]

You definitely should have bet that flop. Bottom two pair is a very vulnerable hand and often times gets counterfeited by the showdown. You have to protect that hand on the flop by leading out. I wouldn't have gotten cute with that hand on that flop, especially with the A out there, I would have played it hard.

[DrZebra 0]

Easy.99 plays his hand exactly like that thinking he has the best hand and when you show the HORRIBLE laydown, doesn't want to say what he had.