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my buddy was at the commerce and had an interesting hand at .....10/20nl 7k effective stackshe limpes 66 2 people limp behind blinds completeflop J86 all spades, he leads for 120 and the BB calls, turn 8 bb cks he bets 330 and gets ck raised to 2k totalriver 2x and he shoves for 4500...comments one what u think BB has, and do you fold or call the riveralso, this was his 4th hand at the table so it against a complete random

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my buddy was at the commerce and had an interesting hand at .....10/20nl 7k effective stackshe limpes 66 2 people limp behind blinds completeflop J86 all spades, he leads for 120 and the BB calls, turn 8 bb cks he bets 330 and gets ck raised to 2k totalriver 2x and he shoves for 4500...comments one what u think BB has, and do you fold or call the riveralso, this was his 4th hand at the table so it against a complete random
Absent of any additional information, this is a little random.The Check Raise on the Turn followed by the Push on the River makes me think that the BB caught his hand - perhaps a "Big Blind Special" Like J8. But it could be any number of hands including pocket ducks. I think we needed to bet a little more on the Turn.As is, I don't know if I make the call on the Turn. I think this is a Fold on the River, too many ways to lose this pot.
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the ck raise on the turn is just so large tho, the only hand i would be worried about is 68 but even at that its such a big raise, it looks like he slowplayed some sort of hand on the flop saw the board pair and got scared, it just looks like he has the nut flush to me

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Call the turn c/r, and snap call the river push. This is a flush a decent amount of the time. I think 2 pair raises the flop to see how its doing most of the time. Also, bet more on the turn.
Somehow I missed the "all spades" comment. Reading Comprehension!!!(Perhaps if the Post was formated)Given that, I can accept your line of reasoning. However, there are still a TON of ways to lose this hand. Falling in love with our Baby Boat is risky - certainly not a "Snap Call". I think we need to assess a range of hands rather than a single hypothesis.
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my buddy was at the commerce and had an interesting hand at .....10/20nl 7k effective stackshe limpes 66 2 people limp behind blinds completeflop J86 all spades, he leads for 120 and the BB calls, turn 8 bb cks he bets 330 and gets ck raised to 2k totalriver 2x and he shoves for 4500...comments one what u think BB has, and do you fold or call the riveralso, this was his 4th hand at the table so it against a complete random
Let me get this straight. We're deep. It's $10/$20. Board is J86 sooted. Turn comes an 8 and we have sixes full .... and we get check-raised to $2k from our $330. River shove another $4,500? I don't think I call the check raise for $2K, much less the $4 shove.If our call of the $2K didn't slow the flush down on the turn ... it's not a flush. Sticky ... but .... nah ... we're really deep to shove an under boat like this.I need a ton of information on the villain to go forward with this hand at the turn ...
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RAC, I was kind of thinking 22 for the BB as well.My guess is 22 or 86. Nut flush sometimes. I'm not as scared as Des Moines is that our 2k call would slow down someone that didn't have a good read on us and had the nut flush..$4500 isn't even the pot.

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I'd ask the question, what would you do with the nut flush, but that kidna misses the target a little becuase if we have the nut flush, he really can't be making this play with the nut flush while here, there is that chance. I dunno. Unless we knew something about him, I'm probably gonna fold this. Most of the time, when live players make this play, you get shown the nuts.

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its just so hard to give him credit for JJ or J8 cause the ck raise is so huge, only had i see beating 66's is 68, otherwise i think its the nut flush or a bluff
Seems like a high flush to me. In fact it is more likely than any of the other holdings, especially coupled with the line. Jacks are raising pf, eights are betting the flop, two pairs are betting the flop.At the end of the day though, 17 hand combinations result in an ace/king high flush, and 17 hand combinations result in a boat/quads. That means as long as you're getting even or better on your money you can call.
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my buddy was at the commerce and had an interesting hand at .....10/20nl 7k effective stackshe limpes 66 2 people limp behind blinds completeflop J86 all spades, he leads for 120 and the BB calls, turn 8 bb cks he bets 330 and gets ck raised to 2k totalriver 2x and he shoves for 4500...comments one what u think BB has, and do you fold or call the riveralso, this was his 4th hand at the table so it against a complete random
we have zero info on anyone, so i dont see how we can determin its a bluff.why would anyone bluff this limped pot? unless we're missing info, like BBis retarded, or BB and ur buddy hate each other?With 3 limpers and sb completing, I can see BB checking 8,8 here. 8,6 also.but like many have said, I think 2 pair wants to know how strong their hand is on this flush board. If BB has a flush (even the nut flush) i think he leads here the majority of the time.to me, this looks like 8,8 trying to play quads like its a weak flush or total bluff. Once your buddy calls the 2k, BB knows he is getting paid off from some sort of cooler.
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Does anybody have an idea why he might check a flop with hands like 2 pair/eights on a flop like this? I just can't see why you wouldn't lead this flop with these hands.
my only reasoning in these spots is because the pot is not very large, and if we lead, and are raised, we're pretty much forced to lay it down, or make a bad call and hope the board pairs.
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Wait, this was me. Who are you special pt? You got the action way wrong, and didn't include my reads at all. First off to limon I bought in 4K deep, and had a 12K stack do to winning pots prior to this. Villian had moved from the must move with a 6.8K stack actually. I didn't know him that well, but prior to him coming to the table I overheard him discussing a big hand with the only pretty good player that was at my table (Kevin if you know the commerce folks), and if I had to guess at the time, I would say he is a live pro, and seemed pretty nitty. He also had barely played a hand in his first 3 rounds at the table.Meanwhile, I had a bit of a maniacal image, but hadn't really gotten out of line. However I had gotten it all in against AA with a flush draw and gunshot the hand before and won a big pot when I hit my straight on the river.So I was in middle position, villian limped utg one other person limped, I limped with red 66, makes a smallish raise ($60), sb calls, bb calls, utg calls, i call and the other guy.So there is like $360 in the pot, and the flop comes Js8s6s. it checks to me, I bet $300, utg calls, everyone else folds. The turn comes another 8. UTG checks, I bet 750, he raises to 2500, leaving himself with about 3.5K left.In general, I don't fold full houses live, but right here, I would certainly be considering folding a flush, and my hand is similar in strength to that. This guy really didn't seem like the type to play even the nut flush like this after I bet into 6 people on the flop, and didn't slow down once the board paired. Honestly, I think I should have quietly folded the turn here, but I couldn't bring myself to fold it.So I called, and he pushed the river. I didn't fold right away then, in fact, I was pretty sure I had to call due to the pot odds. However, I turned over my hand to try to get a reaction from him. What I didn't know was that at commerce there is a rule that if you expose you hand the floor is called and when he gets there you need to make a decision in 10 seconds of him getting there. ugg.. so i was still going through the hand in my head, and i miscounted his push, because i didn't have time to ask the dealer to count it down, and thought it was 4.5K into a 6K pot instead of 3.5 K into the pot. so when the clock ran down i mucked my hand.Anyhow, Maybe it was a bad fold, and if I had to do it again, I definately wouldn't let the table know what I was folding. But I don't think this is the easy fist pumping call it would be against 3/4 of the people at that table. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________That was posted on 2p2 and changes much about the hand. I'm not sure why the OP kinda threw together a HH that couldn't really generate much good discussion, but here's how the hand really went down for those interested.

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At first I wanted to say ZOMG WE HAVZ A BOAT CALL CALL CALL... which is obviously what I would have done without even thinking at the table... but then...the line for the BB makes super awesome sense for somebody who boated the turn, and about 0 sense for a flush. We beat one full house... and i'm sorry but deuces full doesn't make sense.Dump it :club:

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the line for the BB makes super awesome sense for somebody who boated the turn, and about 0 sense for a flush. We beat one full house... and i'm sorry but deuces full doesn't make sense.
It especially makes no sense when the board on the turn is J :club: 8 :D 6 :D 8 :D and he can't have 2s full.Really, if we had the nut flush here and he made this raise, I'd lay this down fairly fast in a live game becuase I know that he can't have the nut flush and it seems a weird play for any lesser flush. Technically our hand is right next to the nut flush as in we beat all other flushes and lose to any other full house. Since he can be doing this with the nut flush, I might take a little longer to think about it until I realize that the play is pretty insane for the nut flush, so I muck the hand on the turn.
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I think it's pretty close but you will be ahead a fair amount of times. What do you put him on? J8 or 86 or slim possiblity of JJ 88. The nut flush is a good part of his range as he came alive on the turn when the board paired. He could be bluffing with the naked ace of spades. Villian might have seen you just call the turn and thought that if you had filled up you would reraise. Again I have called in this spot and have mucked depending on my read on the situation. I'd be more inclined to call in this spot though.

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