xfrodobagginsx, on Wednesday, February 6th, 2008, 9:54 PM, said:
Here are some more reasons that I believe in the existance in the God of the bible: 1) The hundreds of the Prophecies of Jesus Christ that were written hundreds of years before His first comming that came true in Him.
most claimed OT prophecies are subjective interpretations and the few that appear to have some validity would have been well known to NT authors who could have incorporated them into their story telling. whoever wrote matthew even makes this implicit.
2) The way that the bible was written by God through 40 people in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor and yet it doesn't contradict. How in the world could that be?
it contradicts a lot lol, and the only reason it doesn't contradict more than it does is because the books that went into the christian canon were chosen to make it that way from literally hundreds of early christian/gnostic/apocalyptic writings that were available many wildly contradicting each other. if you study the history of the bible objectively it's far from miraculous.
3) I PERSONALLY know God. I have relationship with Him and He has spoken to me both audibly and performed miracles in my life and my family. Did I tell you about the angel saving my cousin? He put a passion in my heart to tell people about Him. I was totally shocked when He entered my room (I didn't see Him, but I felt Him VERY strongly) He was in the form of a cloud (The holy Spirit) He hovered over my chest and looked me in the eye and told me to go back to a church that I honestly didn't want to go back to. (I didn't hear sound, but the thought was injected into my mind in a VERY strong way where I knew without ANY doubt that it was NOT me and that it was the Lord Jesus) I repented of my sins. Before He spoke to me I was living very badly. I was smoking pot nearly every day. I was violent and angry with everyone. I was on the verge of divorce with my wife. Afterward, when my wife and I submitted to God's will, our messed up lives slowly got better and I knew that God was with me. I am became the music director and youth director at my church and I had a passion for witnessing, which I believe is placed there by the Lord. He is using my stubbornness to tell people about Him and His great salvation.
if i say i personally believe in and have found my salvation through islam and can recount numerous miracles and personal revelations, should that mean anything more or less to you than your personal experiences with christianity does to me? subjective.
4) Testimony of many, many others who have died, were brain dead and either went to hell (if the weren't a Christian) or went to heaven (the ones that WERE a Christian), some met Jesus. Their testimonies are too similar and they don't even know each other.
there's like a thousand page thread debunking near-death experiences somewhere in this forum containing lots of links - probably pretty easy to search for if you're really interested. certainly there's zero evidence that people who have had near-death experiences independantly described the same detailed experiences of heaven and/or jesus. that claim is way out of date i think - most modern-day christians don't even make it.
5) The way that the demonically possessed people react to the name and the blood of Jesus Christ. I have personally seen demons and have done battle with them.
and i've seen santa claus and the easter bunny. subjective.
6) All of the signs that are going on in the world today that perfectly line up with the bible predictions. For instance: a) The bible predicted that there would be a revived roman empire in the end. (the European union is the revived roman empire) B) The bible predicts the 666, or the mark of the beast (people are getting micro chips implanted under their skin right now voluntarily, but many think it will turn into the mark of the beast.) It predicts that no one will be able to buy/sell unless they recieve the mark of the beast and eventually anyone who takes the mark will be murdered. This is because the Christians will be removed from the world and satan will possess a body of a man who will become the world dictator. C) The bible predicts a one world government. Did you know that U.S., Canada and Mexico are going to merge soon? Ever heard of the New World Order? Ever heard of a globalist? Ever heard of a nafta superhighway? These terms are all linked to the New World Order, which George Bush Sr. Predicted in 1990, which is also predicted in the bible.
revelations is just one of many apocalyptic writings of the time (barely made it into the canon) and the majority of sholars agree it refers to *early 1st millenia rome*, not 2000 years later lol, with the "beast" referring to nero (and the number is properly 616, not 666). all of your interpreted prophecies listed above are both subjective and the evidence indicates they are not what the author intended.
D) The bible predicted that homosexuality would become prominent. To paraphrase, it said "as it was in the days of lot, so shall it be in the day of the comming..." It also said that it would be as the days of noah. In noah's day, there was widespread violence on the earth. Some would relate this to terrorism.
subjective, and i'm not aware of any objective studies that have shown homosexuality tendencies have actually increased rather than just become less socially repressed.
E) Israel as a nation ceased to be in 70 A.D. The bible predicted that they would become a nation again, which they did in 1948 a.d. and that they would reclaim Jerusalem, which they did in 1967 a.d. It says that Jerusalem would be trampled of the gentiles until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.
F) Not only the bible, but the dozens of secular souces which document that Jesus Christ was crucified and that (at least) His follows claimed that He rose from the dead. Remember that 11 out of 12 of His disciples were torchered and killed for their faith. They wouldn't have been willing to die for what they KNEW was a fraud, If He did really rise from the dead.
there are *zero* secular sources that "document" jesus' life or that he was crucified, only stuff written decades after the fact after the christian movement was well under way. and there is zero corroborating evidence that anyone who might have known jesus actually died for him. and even beyond that historically there is no shortage of people that have been martyred for beliefs that contradict christianity, so even if anyone who knew jesus was martyered it's not evidence for anything except possibly human gullability.
I could go on and on and on, but I have EVERY reason to believe that the bible is true and that the Lord's comming is very near. I could share more and will if you would like me to. You need to get ready. Read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart if you have never done that yet.
why should i pray to something that there is no objective evidence exists? isn't that rather cultish?