flopped a boat.. anything wrong with my play?

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

Sorry I don't have the HH50NL on partyI hold 22 and limp along with 3 othersFlop 4 4 2 (suits unimportant)Player A checksPlayer B checksI checkPlayer D bets $2Player A callsPlayer B foldsI CallTurn 9Player A bets $5I callPlayer D foldsRiver KPlayer A bets $5I raise to $15Player A reraises to $30I call

[mk 11]

fine.

[allinbluff35 0]

raise the turn

[dna4ever 2]

raise the turn

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

Villian showed K4 for the rivered boat. I don't think there is any way he is folding trip 4's to a raise, but for value I definately see why I should've raised. At that point I decided my head wasn't in the game so I quit after about 15 minutes.

[Guest]

This is one of those cases where slow playing comes back to haunt you. A raise earlier in the hand may have folded him. While you don't get as much money out of it, people sometimes forget that you BB/hour ratio and other such statistics are also maintained by minimizing your losses. That said, i'll take 3 or 4 smalls pots because of folds when it keeps me out of gambling situations to take a big pot. They even each other out, and you're not putting as much of your money on the line at any one time. From what I have seen, I'm not conservative, but the more I play the more I realized that multiple small pots can really give you an edge at a table.People will see you stack grow and remember you've been winning, but until you get to larger stakes, they won't pay attention to how you got there and that can buy you some good pots later on.

[Blink20 0]

maintained by minimizing your losses. .

You're not going to be minimizing your losses with this hand.With that said:Push allin on the river. Theres just too many hands that you have beat that he will call. Also, I think betting the flop is best here. I'm sure you were sitting at a loose table. And the suits do matter, if its rainbow, say rainbow. But you are more likely to get callers if theres a flush draw on flop. I don't mind leading the flop at all. Several things happen, you build the pot, possibly the button raises, to see where he is. Maybe player A will come over the top because all the action he sees.Basically, especially with an underfull, you want to build the pot and get your money in now. BUT, that's not to say you want to scare them away. You are NOT minimizing your losses with this hand, you are going to maximize your profits.I also don't see anything wrong with checking the boat, but if D is the player with the four or the one who will keep initiating the action, its tough to slowplay out of position and risky, risky in that you may not win any more bets.My line :Bet the flopRaise the turnPush all in on river (to his reraise)

[Guest]

If you understood correctly, I recommended he bet much the same way you describe at the end of your post. I know this is a hard hand to fold, so I think he would have a better chance of taking money with a lower risk by betting earlier to invoke a fold. Boats are tough to beat, but when you have one so low I would come out more aggressive. Then again, if you get raised, is this really a hand you can lay down?

[Blink20 0]

Then again, if you get raised, is this really a hand you can lay down?

NO :-)I wasn't really disagreeing with your plan to come out betting. I was disagreeing with you saying that you would do that to minimize risk, to make him fold something is essentially what you said.

A raise earlier in the hand may have folded him.

You're coming out betting to maximize profit.

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

 Then again, if you get raised, is this really a hand you can lay down?

NO :-)I wasn't really disagreeing with your plan to come out betting. I was disagreeing with you saying that you would do that to minimize risk, to make him fold something is essentially what you said.

A raise earlier in the hand may have folded him.

You're coming out betting to maximize profit.

I think what you are saying is that by playing like an idiot I saved myself a few bucks..It was a fairly loose table, and had a bet out on the flop there was a possibility that I would've had all the money in on the flop.

[looshle 6]

With that said: Push allin on the river. Theres just too many hands that you have beat that he will call. That's horrible advice. Maybe if the flop was 4 2 2 and we had pocket 4s we could push in on the river but after we are re reaised on the river he's basically saying he's not afraid of trip 4s, which usually means we are beat.

[Blink20 0]

With that said: Push allin on the river. Theres just too many hands that you have beat that he will call. That's horrible advice. Maybe if the flop was 4 2 2 and we had pocket 4s we could push in on the river but after we are re reaised on the river he's basically saying he's not afraid of trip 4s, which usually means we are beat.

LOL ah, 50nl on party, I'll pay off a higher boat every tiem, b/c more often then not, someone will have something much worse than op's underfull.