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Anybody hate this play? I feel he can't check turn with a big pair, because he loses too much value when I have a hand I'll call the flop with..PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)saw flop|saw showdownButton ($89.05)SB ($21.40)BB ($66.15)UTG ($49.70)MP ($61.65)Hero ($49.75)Preflop: Hero is CO with 3h.gif, 3c.gif. 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4.50, SB folds.Flop: ($13.50) 6h.gif, 6d.gif, 5h.gif(2 players)BB bets $8, Hero calls $8.Turn: ($29.50) 2c.gif(2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $18EDIT: And also, the topic is retarded because I have threes, and not twos. My bad.

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Mmm, interesting hand, i like the way you played this, i don't see what other lines would be better to take.

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I don't think you should be flop floating very often. If you are floating though, the turn is fine.
I'm not sure if I like the term "floating." Floating would be calling w/ AQ here looking to bluff at turn. I bet because I don't see your every-day player checking this turn to trap..
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I think the flop call is a spew.he has an overpair a lot of the time here, and your hand is still very vulnerable against the few hands that you beat.As played, betting the turn is fine, although an argument could be made for checking the turn and calling a bet on any non AK5 river.

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Nah, i think folding the flop is tight/weak.The BB is making that bet on that flop regardless of what his cards are.

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I like this play a lot in position, if he bets the turn thought you have to give up, if he check raises you are check calls you you have to be done.NHjust don't do it to often, and only do it against people that can't fire two bullets.

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Preflop is bad. The flop/turn play isn't bad.
I'm setmining 100% of the time here when I and villain are ~100BB's deep. This seems like a good board to me if he doesn't have an overpair. Turn does not improve his range, and he checks. Either a great trap since I bet, or he has broadways.
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Preflop is bad. The flop/turn play isn't bad.
What's bad about PF? It's standard to open with any PP and i don't think you should fold to a re-raise PF.
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PF is fine.
Shinzilla is right about preflop I think. You're basically giving up on almost any flop that you don't flop a set and he doesn't have a big pair often enough to ensure that you stack him when you do hit a set. If he had made it 3x our raise preflop, I'd feel better about calling, but calling the 4x reraise is a spew IMHO.Postflop play is fine. I'm pretty sure you have to fold if he CRAI the turn obv.Also I've found that a lot of competent villains (myself included here) will check with any big pair that they feel is best on this turn because it's unlikely that you're calling another bet if you're floating, but that you'll bet to protect your hand often enough for them to get a profitable c/r in.In summation, fold preflop. Flop is fine. Turn is ok, but don't always bet here.
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I'm setmining 100% of the time here when I and villain are ~100BB's deep. This seems like a good board to me if he doesn't have an overpair. Turn does not improve his range, and he checks. Either a great trap since I bet, or he has broadways.
You're not 100% set mining. That is made evident by the fact that you called a flop bet WITHOUT a set. Yeah, it's a good board if he doesn't have an overpair, but he'll still have 9 outs to hit on the turn and (usually) 12 to grab on the river if he's not already winning. You continuing past the flop with this VERY marginal holding is just one more reason why you should've folded preflop.
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Nah, i think folding the flop is tight/weak.The BB is making that bet on that flop regardless of what his cards are.
Not weak tight at all. You play this hand entirely for set value. You missed your set, you give it up.
Preflop is bad. The flop/turn play isn't bad.
Wrong. He has implied odds to set mine (I think you are getting about 11:1 factoring in implied odds). Preflop is the most standard/correct aspect to this hand. A lot of the implied odds depends on his stats. If he's 3 betting a lot PF, I'm more inclined to give this up but if he's a nit, you definitely want to be mining here.If I know anything in poker, it's how to crush Stars 50 NL 6 max. I'm a 7.97 BB/100 lifetime winner at these stakes over 32k hands, and 10.22 BB/100 over 14k hands in October (played mostly 100 NL for the month). I generally think calling on this flop is spew because it's more of a "I hope he had AK and missed" move. Yeah, it works when he has AK but a good player is going to play AA/KK like this as well on occasion (at least I do). I find when I'm making moves like this, I'm not playing optimal poker. Sometimes you need to just fold to his c-bets because it's an extremely marginal and probably -EV flop call.
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Wrong. He has implied odds to set mine (I think you are getting about 11:1 factoring in implied odds). Preflop is the most standard/correct aspect to this hand.
He's gotta get A LOT of money from him when he does hit his set to make this profitable. I think that a preflop fold is correct by a decent margin.
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He's gotta get A LOT of money from him when he does hit his set to make this profitable. I think that a preflop fold is correct by a decent margin.
It's player dependant. There aren't a lot of light 3 betters at 50 NL 6 max.
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I floated a dude the other night like this and ... oooops ... he had KK.
I can't believe so many people advocate a call here.There is a bet, and a call preflop, then the villain makes a healthy reraise from the big blind. This is AK/AQ sometimes. More often it is TT+.Some of the time, when the villain has AK/AQ, he will still fire a third bullet on the turn, forcing you to fold the best hand. Sometimes, an A,K,Q, or 5 will come on the turn, and you will no longer have the best hand.So, you still end up losing the hand a lot of the time that you do have the best hand on this flop. And, I don't think you have the best hand here very often.Add the times that the villain checks the turn with his big pair, costing you additional money on the turn, and this is a very -ev flop call long term. I don't even think it is close.
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i don't know what people are talking about in this thread. i think 10:1 implied odds make this preflop call okay. this would be one of the rare spots i would call a flop bet in a 3bet pot w/ a small pair.betting that turn is lighting money on fire IMO.

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i don't know what people are talking about in this thread. i think 10:1 implied odds make this preflop call okay. this would be one of the rare spots i would call a flop bet in a 3bet pot w/ a small pair.betting that turn is lighting money on fire IMO.
10:1 implied odds is fine, yeah. Who says we have 10-1? He's not stacking off with AK/AQ after missing the flop. He's not stacking off with QQ-TT on an A94 or A35 flop. Implied odds must take into consideration the likelyhood of actually getting the money from his stack into the pot when we outflop him. I think it's cutting it close because we're only hitting about 1/9 times and we need to stack him 1/11 times, so it really means that we have to take his whole (or most of his) stack when we do hit, assuming we're not putting any money in when we miss. 10-1 implied odds in this situation is wrong IMHO.Also, calling the flop is horrible if you're set mining. I mentioned this before, but it totally kills our implied odds in the first place if we're gonna float him on this flop. Yeah, we might have the best hand, but we're never calling another bet, so we're basically daring him to take 2 stabs at it with unimproved overs.Folding preflop here, if it is a mistake (against AK/AQ type hands) is only a small one, while calling against bigger pairs that you're not guaranteed to stack is a bigger mistake which is compounded by more mistakes post flop, like calling a flop bet and having to make another decision on the turn here.
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10:1 implied odds is fine, yeah. Who says we have 10-1? He's not stacking off with AK/AQ after missing the flop. He's not stacking off with QQ-TT on an A94 or A35 flop. Implied odds must take into consideration the likelyhood of actually getting the money from his stack into the pot when we outflop him. I think it's cutting it close because we're only hitting about 1/9 times and we need to stack him 1/11 times, so it really means that we have to take his whole (or most of his) stack when we do hit, assuming we're not putting any money in when we miss. 10-1 implied odds in this situation is wrong IMHO.
i use 10:1 behind as a general rule when calling a 3-bet. i'm sure it's not perfect, but i think it's pretty sound. of course folding is fine.
Also, calling the flop is horrible if you're set mining. I mentioned this before, but it totally kills our implied odds in the first place if we're gonna float him on this flop.
if were ever gonna call with unders this is the flop. folding is probably better, but a lot of people misplay 3-bet pots and i could see overs shutting down a lot here.
Folding preflop here, if it is a mistake (against AK/AQ type hands) is only a small one, while calling against bigger pairs that you're not guaranteed to stack is a bigger mistake which is compounded by more mistakes post flop, like calling a flop bet and having to make another decision on the turn here.
what decision? i think we can play the turn nearly perfect here.
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