PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 My lifetime graph at 20/40:It's been a pretty rough time, look at that downswing from 500 to 1k, and that absolutely brutal breakeven stretch between hands 2600 and 7200?!!? 4600 hands?! I just get so frustrated sometimes and feel like quitting, but I keep reminding myself that if I keep playing well eventually the cards have to turn in my favor. When that happens hopefully I'll see myself approaching my true winrate.Note: Yes, I know I've angered the poker gods, but **** it, I'm happy! And I don't run bad, angry poker gods or not Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Yep variance has been kicking my *** as well. Seriously though good thing I didnt start 10/20 and 15/30 the way I started 5/10, cause I dont think I would have been able to take another 10k hands of getting my *** kicked / breaking even. Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 Your graph kicks my graph's ***That got me motivated, I'll be back at 15K hands with 6BB/100 Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Your graph kicks my graph's ***That got me motivated, I'll be back at 15K hands with 6BB/100Most of the stars 15/30 game consists of full ring tables that have 3-4 players in them. So the variance is insane. I'll have to bookmark this thread for when I go on a 200 bb downswing over 1k hands.But yea the most important thing here is that running good is probly the best thing ever. Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 Agreed. I think it would be cool if this turned into a feelgood brag thread to remind everyone of how awesome SH limit can be, we hear too much about the downswings Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 How do you make these graphs? Link to post Share on other sites
hotbacon 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I hate you guys so much. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'm in the same boat as you, Poppin. I encountered a rough patch at 2/4 in the beginning, so hopefully the next several thousand hands will be more indicative of my true win rate.My month of April: Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I almost cried looking at that second one Alpha... Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 How do you make these graphs? www.pokerpatterns.com Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 TP/MM. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I almost cried looking at that second one Alpha...Yea, SH often has evil ways of getting you from point A to point B.I'm glad it didn't keep going downward though, that's for sure. This whole month also has given me a better handle of the game psychologically. Dropping 50 BB or more won't stress me out anymore (hopefully), and for the past 2k hands I have sincerely been able to play without consideration towards the results, which feels great. It's easy to say that you try and play each hand perfectly, but it's something I've never really experienced until recently. It helps that I've run red hot though near the end.Best 4 dollars I've ever won. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 TP/MM.Already have =PI hate you guys so much. What can I say, I run good. 3 months and 86,000 hands ago I was at .50/1. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I'm guessing you guys have never heard of a downswing before. Anyways, those are some insane winrates that nobody can come even close to sustaining in the longrun. Pretty much anything 1BB/100 and over after 15/30 is real good already. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I'm guessing you guys have never heard of a downswing before. Anyways, those are some insane winrates that nobody can come even close to sustaining in the longrun. Pretty much anything 1BB/100 and over after 15/30 is real good already.You can do much better than 1BB/100 in 6max 20-40. There are still a lot of people with a alot of money who don't know what they are doing playing that level. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 You can do much better than 1BB/100 in 6max 20-40. There are still a lot of people with a alot of money who don't know what they are doing playing that level.Obviously, you can do better, but 1BB/100 is reasonable. Most people have unrealistic expectations for their actual winrate and haven't played enough hands to find a true winrate. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Obviously, you can do better, but 1BB/100 is reasonable. Most people have unrealistic expectations for their actual winrate and haven't played enough hands to find a true winrate.You make valid points but they just dont hold true for this thread. I didnt get to the level i'm at by playing a few thousand hands and i'd assume the same for poppin. Pretty obvious my winrate isn't over 7bb/100 but I can say that over a 100k sample size its been over 3. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I'm not hating or nothing like that, I mean if you can keep up what your doing, all the more power to you. Just don't be surprised to see those figures get skewed significantly when you hit those 200 or 300 big bet downswings. They do happen to even the best players. Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 I'm guessing you guys have never heard of a downswing before. Anyways, those are some insane winrates that nobody can come even close to sustaining in the longrun. Pretty much anything 1BB/100 and over after 15/30 is real good already.I'd say a 4600 hand breakeven strech qualifies as a pretty bad downswing.3+BB/100 long-term is also pretty easily attainable at these levels Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I'd say a 4600 hand breakeven strech qualifies as a pretty bad downswing. nope. Link to post Share on other sites
gooch 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Question for you guys, I play $25 NL SH, and given that I am getting better at knowing who the soft players are, and actually having enough discipline to change table when I find real players. What type of win rate would you find reasonable? I realize that that there are pretty huge swings in the the SH game, and I have definately taken some bad beats and gone on bad runs, but if I don't double up in a couple hours of play I'm usually pretty dispointed or have taken a couple good kicks to teh nuts in that session. I see notes referring to BB/ 100 hands and per hour, is this really Big Blind per hour? Doesn't seem right to me. I you are playing a $5/$10 game are you happy winning $30 after 100 hands? Doesn't seem like a lot to gain for the risk?Playing about 100 hands an hour at SH, and looking to double after say 200 hands, that would be 50BB/100 correct? I try and limit my play to about 2 hours and quit after that. I set levels to stop at and really try keep them to build some disipline, but some tables are just so easy I can't pry myself away from them if they keep reloading. Are these expectation too high at this level? Is this just a great run of luck? And at what level are they going to really move the other way?Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but I just want to make sure that I am reading things right. Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 Hey gooch, in this thread we're talking about limit games, and BB refers to a big bet(2 big blinds).I'm not much of a no limit player, but I believe that 5BB/100, or 10 big blinds per hundred, is a respectable winrate. 25BB/100 is unreasonable to expect in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites
gooch 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Hey gooch, in this thread we're talking about limit games, and BB refers to a big bet(2 big blinds).I'm not much of a no limit player, but I believe that 5BB/100, or 10 big blinds per hundred, is a respectable winrate. 25BB/100 is unreasonable to expect in the long run.Thanks very much, sorry for the stupid question. Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 nope.C'mon Tim, even after reading my OP you think I'm serious? I expect better from you Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 C'mon Tim, even after reading my OP you think I'm serious? I expect better from you i didn't realize there were words in the OP. i just saw a steep red line. Link to post Share on other sites
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