Bottom Set Against A Umm Donk

[litlebullet 0]

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Litlebullet is UTG+1 with 2 , 2 . UTG raises, Litlebullet calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (8 SB) 9 , T , 2 (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, Litlebullet calls, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: (7 BB) 7 (3 players)BB bets, UTG folds, Litlebullet raises, BB calls.River: (11 BB) 5 (2 players)BB bets, Litlebullet calls.Final Pot: 13 BBI was gonna 4 bet the flop because I thought BB was gonna 3-bet. oh well. btw, for those who give a ratts butt, I think I'm starting to really dig this limit stuff.

[Moneyball16 0]

Fold preflop.3-bet flop hope UTG has an overpair. Waiting till the turn shows alot more strength and will make you less if he has an overpair under most circumstances. Im not sure why youd think BB would 3-bet.Raise river. BB hasnt played his hand like he has a set and I dont think he has a flush or straight here that often either just from the way he played the hand.

[litlebullet 0]

Fold preflop.3-bet flop hope UTG has an overpair. Waiting till the turn shows alot more strength and will make you less if he has an overpair under most circumstances. Im not sure why youd think BB would 3-bet.Raise river. BB hasnt played his hand like he has a set and I dont think he has a flush or straight here that often either just from the way he played the hand.

ty moneyball I agree with everything you just said here but is the preflop call really that bad?

[Moneyball16 0]

ty moneyball I agree with everything you just said here but is the preflop call really that bad?

In almost all online games its pretty bad. We really want alot of players in the pot to play a PP like this or atleast have a discount in a blind. Low PP play pretty weak in LHE cause we dont have the implied odds that they have in NL. We generally want about 5-1 on our money preflop to call with a hand like this. Even if the guy just limped I would fold unless I was at a loose table. In Live games where there are frequently 6+ players to the flop even for a raise consistently this isnt that bad.

[Actuary 3]

ty moneyball I agree with everything you just said here but is the preflop call really that bad?

depends.It's a good call if you can expect no one else to raise behind you and you get about 4+ more callers and they are loose and payoff post flop.Most tables, it's a good size leak to call after a raise hereYou need to make about 20 SB or 10BB profit to compensate for the times you lose with a set and the times you call a flop bet getting like 14:1 multiway.So, it's prety bad, normally.I play the flop the same as you if BB is donkish aggressive.River completes a bdfd; but otherwise you should still be ahead, and are according to villains turn play.So I raise the riveryeah, and I love limit.