I Hit Bottom Pair On The Turn And Bet

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

Hero is SB with Kh2hMP3 is a LAGTARD, button sees every turn, most rivers.2 callers, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks, 2 callers call.Flop: 10h 5h 4c.Hero bets, BB calls, 2 callers call, MP3 raises, Button calls, Hero 3 bets, BB folds, 2 callers fold, MP3 calls, Button calls.Turn: 2s.Hero bets...

[Zach6668 513]

Well... this has to be strictly a value bet given the description of your villains. It's 4 handed, so assuming they all call, you'd need 25% equity to break even. I'd say on average, one of them folds, so say we need 33% equity to show profit here. We cool with that?Let's run some numbers:Random example: 6,048 games 0.005 secs 1,209,600 games/secBoard: Th 5h 4c 2sDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 32.143% 32.14% 00.00% 1944 0.00 { Kh2h }Hand 1: 17.262% 17.26% 00.00% 1044 0.00 { A5s, A5o }Hand 2: 50.595% 50.60% 00.00% 3060 0.00 { QTs, QTo }It's close.If you get 3 calls, it's fine, as long as you aren't looking at something like KT, K5, etc, which takes away our outs, and of course, a set/straight, or two pair already including the 2 take away more outs. I don't think we have the equity we need to bet for value here.It's unlikely we take this pot down UI, so I don't want to put in any more bets than I have to here, before we make our hand.I'd c/c, I think.I like your flop play, assuming the "2 callers" are loose, and you'd expect them to call 2 more cold a lot of the time.Also, your action is screwed up a bit, I think SB should read BB, as it states you are SB.

[Actuary 3]

it's 3 handed on the turn, I believ.Can we get Button to fold live draws here for two cold, like sometimes?Are we usually ahead of MP3?Do Button's actions already tell us we are ahead of him, or is he passive or slow player?Here's what I want to happen:MP3 raise with garbage and fold Button if he has any pair, gutter, or overcards to a duece, and of course better drawsBut, only if we are ahead of MP3.Given that even getting two calls for 2 bets, when MP3 inevetibly raises, is not that bad, I like a lead if we have ANY FE vs Button for two cold

[Zach6668 513]

Ah, you're right. I thought BB came along.My bad.

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

I edited the OP to fix the blind stuff.On the turn we are 3 handed, just to clear that up.I think I am ahead of MP3 a lot. She would seriously cap almost any pair, definatly top pair or better. Button I am unsure about.I think it is a borderline bet, but if I am wrong I still have a shot to draw out. Against almost any other combination of opponents I would not make this bet.

[Actuary 3]

You are hoping Button folds, I hope?Although, a call is not bad if he'll pay off a two pair, or trips, or flush on the riverYou can't overcall on the river UI, though, can you?

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

You are hoping Button folds, I hope?Although, a call is not bad if he'll pay off a two pair, or trips, or flush on the riverYou can't overcall on the river UI, though, can you?

I am hoping button folds, but a call isn't the end of the world.I am not overcalling.

[Actuary 3]

I am hoping button folds, but a call isn't the end of the world.I am not overcalling.

yeah, I like your turn play - given the reads are solid

[TheCinciKid 0]

I pretty much hate every street here. First of all, if I'm getting the action correct, this pretty much always a fold pre-flop. From the way you have the action I'm assuming that MP3 raised pre-flop, in which case this is a very easy fold. Now, assuming that you ****ed up and called pre-flop, this is certainly a decent flop for your hand, but not one you should be going crazy on OOP. It's okay to lead out with a flush draw when you're OOP, but 3-betting is just horrible. In this case too, since it's live and you're likely playing passive players who call alot, I prefer check/calling until you actual hit a flush, at which point, a check/raise might be in order. I guess the flop 3-bet almost forces you to bet this turn, but I really don't like it, there's virtually no chance your hand is good.

[Actuary 3]

Cinci,It's a ridiculously easy flop 3-bet.It's 6 HANDED before we 3 bet.And they've all already called some bets, so we usually get our 2+ calls necessary.I don''t love preflop, since we usually have pos on the lagtard, we can fold these hands; but I was ignoring pf

[Shimmering Wang 1]

I pretty much hate every street here. First of all, if I'm getting the action correct, this pretty much always a fold pre-flop. From the way you have the action I'm assuming that MP3 raised pre-flop, in which case this is a very easy fold. Now, assuming that you ****ed up and called pre-flop, this is certainly a decent flop for your hand, but not one you should be going crazy on OOP. It's okay to lead out with a flush draw when you're OOP, but 3-betting is just horrible. In this case too, since it's live and you're likely playing passive players who call alot, I prefer check/calling until you actual hit a flush, at which point, a check/raise might be in order. I guess the flop 3-bet almost forces you to bet this turn, but I really don't like it, there's virtually no chance your hand is good.

Haven't been playing much poker lately, eh?

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

Yeah preflop is iffy. I just find it hard to fold suited aces or kings in these spots because they play so well postflop in this game. I am willing to be convinced I should fold this preflop. If there were less callers behind MP3 I would obviously fold.I can't possibly think of a reason not to 3 bet this flop.

[Actuary 3]

I can't possibly think of a reason not to 3 bet this flop.

well, if she walks by, perhaps, you'd forget to 3-bet

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

She looks like a girl that would be impressed by a three bet.