Into The Deep 1 (sh) (3/6)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 3/6 NLHE (6-handed)MP $3530Cobalt $1061Cobalt is BB w/ 9 2 . I've been playing fairly TAG. MP is a super loose megadonk...though not in the crazy aggressive way. I really have no idea how he got the chips...he had about that many when I sat down. He's quite loose pre-flop, makes pretty very marginal calls post-flop, and likes to min-raise...I've never seen him make a raise that wasn't the minimum. (He has made normal "bets" occasionally post-flop.)Pre-flop:1 fold, MP raises to $12, 3 folds, Cobalt callsFlop ($27): T A 6 (2 players)Cobalt bets $18, MP callsTurn ($63): 4 (2 players)Cobalt bets $55, MP raises to $110, Cobalt re-raises to $323, MP callsRiver ($709): 7 (2 players)Cobalt bets $437

[Naismith 0]

I'm looking for a spot to improve your play here but I think you played it pretty optimally. Is he calling down any ace? If so, you could probably just shove the river since he's not calling with only a big diamond anyway.

[cwik 0]

looks good.

[mikeysong 0]

I'm looking for a spot to improve your play here but I think you played it pretty optimally. Is he calling down any ace? If so, you could probably just shove the river since he's not calling with only a big diamond anyway.

pretty much, if he's calling 437, he's prolly calling your all in which is about pot. shovel. Playing your hand super fast like that is suspicious looking, especially w/river shove. don't believe me? I'll gladly give you an example from today He may possibly put you on a super aggro fd, reallyd epends on how you were playing postflop previously. but w/that much money, just put it all in

[Sheiky 0]

Er, isn't calling from the blinds with 92 a bit loose?

[Influcted 0]

You could've bet a bit less on the river but I like the play.

[Royal_Tour 0]

fold preflop, as played i like it all.If you 100% put villain on a real hand here i like the river, other wise this looks like a big diamond that tried to take it on the turn and failed but called with outs.although i've confused myself just now. I think i kinda like a check/raise on the river, i dont think villain calls our river bet.i could be wrong tho. I just like the idea of check raising rivers, its so cool.

[Zach6668 513]

Er, isn't calling from the blinds with 92 a bit loose?

Getting 2-1 with about a billion to 1 implied odds vs the table donk?You can call any two here.

[NoBBiR 0]

River bet and turn raise are perfect. If he's a megadonk, I'm never folding this after the flop unless more diamonds peel. Ever.

[TraptSteve 0]

Getting 2-1 with about a billion to 1 implied odds vs the table donk?You can call any two here.

Might was well throw a curveball here, but you guys really underestimate opponents too easily. His plays aren't what this forum would consider 'routine' but his style can be effective.btw, what makes you think you can just call OOP with any two against a loose/passive player like that? What implied odds? You are going to out play a loose/passive player OOP every time? If we're going to do that, wouldn't have it been better to raise him pre and 3-bet the flop? We would have a better idea of how he plays when getting resistance, not mention giving us a better chance of winning the pot without improving...

[mtdesmoines 3]

Cobalt is BB w/ 9 2 . I've been playing fairly TAG. MP is a super loose megadonk...Pre-flop:MP raises to $12, 3 folds, Cobalt calls

Ha ha ha ...

I'm looking for a spot to improve your play here but I think you played it pretty optimally. Is he calling down any ace? If so, you could probably just shove the river since he's not calling with only a big diamond anyway.

I like the gentle flop bet. It says, "testing for diamonds ... 'cause I don't have any... "

Er, isn't calling from the blinds with 92 a bit loose?

"super loose megadonk..."

You could've bet a bit less on the river but I like the play.

MORE. More on the river.

River bet and turn raise are perfect. If he's a megadonk, I'm never folding this after the flop unless more diamonds peel. Ever.

QFT

[Zach6668 513]

Sorry, 3.5-1 is enough for me to call pf vs the table donk with 160 BB stacks.(Not sure why I said 2-1 earlier)

[krup24 0]

Might was well throw a curveball here, but you guys really underestimate opponents too easily. His plays aren't what this forum would consider 'routine' but his style can be effective.btw, what makes you think you can just call OOP with any two against a loose/passive player like that? What implied odds? You are going to out play a loose/passive player OOP every time? If we're going to do that, wouldn't have it been better to raise him pre and 3-bet the flop? We would have a better idea of how he plays when getting resistance, not mention giving us a better chance of winning the pot without improving...

sorry but i stongly disagreeyou obv overestimate your opponents.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Might was well throw a curveball here, but you guys really underestimate opponents too easily. His plays aren't what this forum would consider 'routine' but his style can be effective.btw, what makes you think you can just call OOP with any two against a loose/passive player like that? What implied odds? You are going to out play a loose/passive player OOP every time?

It looks like it. Outplaying a loose/passive player is just betting for value. The game is deep enough that picking opponents is more important than picking cards.

If we're going to do that, wouldn't have it been better to raise him pre and 3-bet the flop?

One reason the hero likes this villain is that he's prone to call too much. So trying to bluff him seems like going uphill. We want to help him make the mistake that's in his nature.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I like everything about this hand until the river bet really.How is shoving any different than your bet on the river there? Do you really think he's folding for a shove but calling that bet? I'd think you probably left a couple ($289) hundred on the table here. Maybe it makes a difference. I dunno.

[TraptSteve 0]

It looks like it. Outplaying a loose/passive player is just betting for value. The game is deep enough that picking opponents is more important than picking cards.One reason the hero likes this villain is that he's prone to call too much. So trying to bluff him seems like going uphill. We want to help him make the mistake that's in his nature.

I take a similar approach with a villain like this, but in position whenever I can help it. You are playing 9-2 and, regardless of how bad our opponent is, we're still OOP. How many times are we going to end up flopping just a flush draw vs our opponent? You can see how this will cost us money in the long run...

[Acid_Knight 2]

I take a similar approach with a villain like this, but in position whenever I can help it. You are playing 9-2 and, regardless of how bad our opponent is, we're still OOP. How many times are we going to end up flopping just a flush draw vs our opponent? You can see how this will cost us money in the long run...

Against aggro villains, this isn't a good play. Against weak passive idiots who'll call down with hands they shouldn't, it's really easy to make sure we get value for our hand here.

[CobaltBlue 662]

How is shoving any different than your bet on the river there? Do you really think he's folding for a shove but calling that bet? I'd think you probably left a couple ($289) hundred on the table here. Maybe it makes a difference. I dunno.

I actually got into a lengthy argument with Mikey about this. I probably do leave some value on the table. I rarely bet the pot or overbet the pot on the river...mostly cause I like to get away with not having to bet so large when I'm bluffing. In this particular case, I felt like a shove was going to look really strong...and I wanted him to make a "crying" call with a big ace as opposed to a "hero" call.A shove probably would've worked though...villain called with TT.