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What do you do?

  1. Call (13 votes [86.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 86.67%

  2. Fold (2 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

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#1 Agent 008

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 06:38 AM

You're in a 5$ 9-handed 1500 chip SnG, it is one of the first few hands, so you know little about the players but you know the opposition is generally weak at this hour on these tables.You get dealt 7 :club: J :ts in late position, everyone folds to you, and you make it 30 (the blinds are 5/10).Everyone folds, and BB calls with 1500 chips in front of him. You also had 1500 chips prior to the start of the hand.Flop comes K :4h 7 :5c J :club:He checks, you bet 40.He raises to 185, you call.Turn comes 5 :3h, he bets 435, and you call.River comes 2 :qh, and he is all-in for 850. You have 850 left.What do you do?a ). Callb ). Fold

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:36 AM

If your raising with J7 and flop this, I don't think there is anything you can do but call
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:45 AM

This is a call now, but realistically, never raise J7s early in a $5 SnG. Then if you do and you flop bottom two and get check raised on the flop, please just ship. You're facing Kx enough times here that it's easily going to be profitable if he calls. If he folds, that's fine too because your hand is unlikely to improve. The time he shows up with KJ is just bad luck.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:35 AM

View Postcdipierr, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 8:45 AM, said:

This is a call now, but realistically, never raise J7s early in a $5 SnG. Then if you do and you flop bottom two and get check raised on the flop, please just ship. You're facing Kx enough times here that it's easily going to be profitable if he calls. If he folds, that's fine too because your hand is unlikely to improve. The time he shows up with KJ is just bad luck.
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:37 AM

View Postcdipierr, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 10:45 AM, said:

This is a call now, but realistically, never raise J7s early in a $5 SnG. Then if you do and you flop bottom two and get check raised on the flop, please just ship. You're facing Kx enough times here that it's easily going to be profitable if he calls. If he folds, that's fine too because your hand is unlikely to improve. The time he shows up with KJ is just bad luck.
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:11 AM

bunch of nits lol, raising pre is fine ....

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:17 AM

View Postnutzzcase, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 11:11 AM, said:

bunch of nits lol, raising pre is fine ....
hope this is a level b/c we can get ourselves into sooooo many marginal situations here early in this a tourney
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:36 AM

View Postnutzzcase, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:11 PM, said:

bunch of nits lol, raising pre is fine ....
No, it's not. Especially in a SnG.

View Postakashenk, on 02 August 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 11:20 AM

View Postdonk4life, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:36 PM, said:

No, it's not. Especially in a SnG.
Bolded for troof. The idea of sng play is tight early and save as may chips as you can for when sngs are won, which is shove/fold territory.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:04 PM

View Postoutsider13, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

Bolded for troof. The idea of sng play is tight early and save as may chips as you can for when sngs are won, which is shove/fold territory.
stacks are pretty deep (150bbs) it's seems kinda dumb not taking advantage of that by playing more pots in position.EDIT: why wait for coin flips if you have the opportunity to stack them with the better hand?

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:04 PM

who voted no? lmao

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:16 PM

View Postnutzzcase, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 4:04 PM, said:

stacks are pretty deep (150bbs) it's seems kinda dumb not taking advantage of that by playing more pots in position.
You aren't going to win a sng in the first few levels. As I said earlier, sng's are won in the shove stages, so the more chips you have at the later stages, the more fold equity you have. The less fold equity you have, the less chance you have to win. Risking your chippies early with marginal hands is an easy way to lose your fold equity a blind level or two earlier than you want. Early levels are pretty much a battle of the bad players. Pick them off when you wake up with a big hand.Edit to your edit - SNGs are won/lost in coinflips. That's pretty much how they roll.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:21 PM

View Postoutsider13, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:16 PM, said:

You aren't going to win a sng in the first few levels. As I said earlier, sng's are won in the shove stages, so the more chips you have at the later stages, the more fold equity you have. The less fold equity you have, the less chance you have to win. Risking your chippies early with marginal hands is an easy way to lose your fold equity a blind level or two earlier than you want. Early levels are pretty much a battle of the bad players. Pick them off when you wake up with a big hand.Edit to your edit - SNGs are won/lost in coinflips. That's pretty much how they roll.
doesn't this hand prove that you can stack someone early in a sit and go? and if you stack someone wouldn't you have more fold equity later on?

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:27 PM

View Postnutzzcase, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 4:21 PM, said:

doesn't this hand prove that you can stack someone early in a sit and go? and if you stack someone wouldn't you have more fold equity later on?
On a gin flop, ya. Poker is ez when we flop the essential nuts.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:30 PM

View Postoutsider13, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:16 PM, said:

Edit to your edit - SNGs are won/lost in coinflips. That's pretty much how they roll.
I completly agree with you if blinds were higher with good players but I think 5$ sit and go players are pretty exploitable post flop.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 02:06 PM

But we have such a more advantage later in stages b/c we can exploit shovebot. Raising hands that can get us in marginal situations is very -EV this early. People will give us our chips in situations where we don't have essentially flop the nuts to get stacks in
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 02:16 PM

View Postnutzzcase, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:04 PM, said:

stacks are pretty deep (150bbs) it's seems kinda dumb not taking advantage of that by playing more pots in position.EDIT: why wait for coin flips if you have the opportunity to stack them with the better hand?
You don't want to play more pots...especially right at the beginning of a SnG. This is an extremely easyfold pre. Why are you going to risk getting in over your head for the sake of stealing 10 chips? Not to mentionyou are destroying your fold equity later in the tournament when the blinds actually mean something.Say he calls you and the flop comes Jh 2d 10h, you bet, and he calls or re-raises. Now you are in a shittyposition and it's only the first few hands. All for the sake of those 10 chips. There aren't too many flops that can come down that will have you ahead of a caller anyway.Pretty much have to call post flop though. If he has K J then it will at least teach you a lesson. But realistically, at this level he could be shoving with any King.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 02:34 PM

View PostJSpencer, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 2:16 PM, said:

You don't want to play more pots...especially right at the beginning of a SnG. This is an extremely easyfold pre. Why are you going to risk getting in over your head for the sake of stealing 10 chips? Not to mentionyou are destroying your fold equity later in the tournament when the blinds actually mean something.Say he calls you and the flop comes Jh 2d 10h, you bet, and he calls or re-raises. Now you are in a shittyposition and it's only the first few hands. All for the sake of those 10 chips. There aren't too many flops that can come down that will have you ahead of a caller anyway.Pretty much have to call post flop though. If he has K J then it will at least teach you a lesson. But realistically, at this level he could be shoving with any King.
you are obv not playing for 10 chips but for your opponent's stack...you are trying to take advantages of you opponent's mistakes post flop.EDIT: you have a lot of room to maneuver with 150bbs and you are in positionEDIT2: and isn't this the goal of small ball poker?

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 03:05 PM

How do you play this hand if we just flopped a FD. Or a naked J? We are going to be losing valuable chips early chasing or thinking we have the best hand This time we flopped gin and need to get the chips in, but in the long run we are going have to make tougher decisions if we get a piece of the flop
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 03:32 PM

it's a headsup pot, most of the time he's gonna miss the flop and you are gonna take it with a continuation bet (don't think you are losing too much value if any)if you think your post flop skills are better than your opponent I think you should be willing to play weaker hands in position.




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