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turn: lead, or go for c/r? aug. 26th


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#1 Kendren

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Posted 25 August 2005 - 12:15 PM

Okay, crossposted from another forum, thought I'd let you folks have a say.Pokerroom Limit Omaha High (3 handed) Preflop: Hero is SB with A :) , 6 :club: , 4 :) , A :D . button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, button calls.Flop: (6 SB) Q :) , 5 :D , 3 :) (3 players) Hero bets, BB calls, button callsTurn: (7.5 BB) J :D (3 players) Hero ?????Do we lead here, or shoot for a check/raise? No real reads, 3rd hand at table, first 2 hands both players showed large turn aggression, neither showed down.

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 06:38 AM

just lead out. this might well get capped.

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 06:43 AM

Whatever get's the most money in the pot in your estimation.Checking this flop around is horrible, though, so I'd tend to lead.Helps if you specify O8 or O high, not that it matters too much here.Good luck

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 06:44 AM

You must lead because the BB is probably not going to bet (he didn't cap the flop, so his raise looks like a promotion attempt), and the only hand that might is JJ, which is unlikely.

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 12:09 PM

Sorry, yeah, it's omaha high only. I ended up lead out, just got called and lost one of them on the turn. Thought I might have left something on the table by showing so much aggression.

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 02:04 PM

definitely bet. i dont like check-raising on a draw, even though you have 3 huge draws. if you check it might go check-check behind you, and you'd have lost value if your hand hits.

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 02:34 PM

Is this Omaha 8 or just Omaha? Might make a difference in how people advice you to proceed (IMO it DOES make a difference)

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 09:38 PM

Rocketwadster said:

Is this Omaha 8 or just Omaha? Might make a difference in how people advice you to proceed (IMO it DOES make a difference)
psst.. 2 posts up ;PI should have said omaha high only from the beginning, sorry. Probably would have played it the same way, anyways, to the turn.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 05:44 AM

Kendren said:

Rocketwadster said:

Is this Omaha 8 or just Omaha? Might make a difference in how people advice you to proceed (IMO it DOES make a difference)
psst.. 2 posts up ;PI should have said omaha high only from the beginning, sorry. Probably would have played it the same way, anyways, to the turn.
many people, myself included, do not read through all of the posts before we give our thoughts on a topic (so our answers are not tainted i guess).for the example you gave, i do not think it plays the same way for both games...

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 09:47 AM

Rocketwadster said:

Kendren said:

Rocketwadster said:

Is this Omaha 8 or just Omaha? Might make a difference in how people advice you to proceed (IMO it DOES make a difference)
psst.. 2 posts up ;PI should have said omaha high only from the beginning, sorry. Probably would have played it the same way, anyways, to the turn.
many people, myself included, do not read through all of the posts before we give our thoughts on a topic (so our answers are not tainted i guess).for the example you gave, i do not think it plays the same way for both games...
Would you have played the flop differently in OH8? I'm not sure I would have, but I don't have the experience with OH8. But yes, this was OH.And jeez, Rocket, no need to be all serious and everything, man. :club:

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 03:16 PM

for the example you gave, i do not think it plays the same way for both games...Nah, it' plays prety simmilarly really.Good luck.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 07:43 PM

I think you should lead. The only real reason to go fro a check-raise here would be if your hand was so marginal that you really NEEDED to play it heads up. Also, if you do check and both of your opponents are on low/straight draws you'd be giving away a free card as a huge favorite. One more thing, is that your hand might not be good at that point and you might end up getting in three bets heads up against the best hand rather than two bets a piece three ways which would be much better.
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Posted 27 August 2005 - 08:37 PM

You should lead, because you have 18 sure outs and 20 to pretty close to sure outs.

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 04:22 PM

greatwhite said:

You should lead, because you have 18 sure outs and 20 to pretty close to sure outs.
Nah he has 22 sure outs.And 2 more possible but not sure (the 2 unseen A's).

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 05:11 PM

"dimseven" said:

"greatwhite" said:

You should lead, because you have 18 sure outs and 20 to pretty close to sure outs.
Nah he has 22 sure outs.And 2 more possible but not sure (the 2 unseen A's).
No, you can't count the cards that would pair the board and make him a flush sure outs. And yes I was talking about the aces as the 2 other outs.

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 09:31 PM

Thanks for the replies, folks. Even that Negrea.... somethin guy. :)I figured since I had the lead, and he had raised me on the flop, I should keep the lead. At least make him think before he raises again. BB ended up smooth calling the turn, and button folded. So that's what made me wonder if I hadn't left something behind by leading.Incidentally, I really should change the OP if possible to indicate Omaha high instead of OH8. But as Smash said, probably not a whole lot different if any anyways.

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 09:40 PM

Obviously, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ was me. Strange.-1 to post count.




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