No_Neck 0 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.505 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $50CO: $62.25Hero: $49.25SB: $47.95BB: $39.85Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 3 6 UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls.Flop: A 5 J ($4.75, 2 players)CO bets $1.5, Hero calls.Turn: 9 ($7.75, 2 players)CO bets $4.5, Hero calls.River: 8 ($16.75, 2 players)CO is all-in $54.25, Hero has $41.25.I know nothing about this guy. Link to post Share on other sites
Kid DynOmite 0 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I think you're DN too. If by DN you mean Danny Nguyen. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I call. Link to post Share on other sites
waylander11 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I call too, i think he has two pair or a set by the way he bet. You can't call turn if you're going to fold on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 what stupid betting from a-z... fucc this guy...i'm not sure taht's grounds for calling... but idk wtf to think here... fucc him i call anyways... no matter what he's a donkey.... if he has a bigger flush his play is stupid because it ONLY works if you yourself make a smaller one... and if he has anything else why bet like an idiot UNTIL the draw gets there then donk shove... either way he's a faggot... this hand pisses me off...edit-what'd he have, 4d5d? Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 The fact that he limped CO gives me reason enough to call here. He's likely an idiot with a set or two pair. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Well golly doesn't this look an awful lot like:K 5 :diamond:also possiblyK Q :diamond:or maaaaybeK 10 :diamond:I herofold bleh Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I call too, i think he has two pair or a set by the way he bet. You can't call turn if you're going to fold on the river.You can if you miss the flush :)Uh, I'd call. I don't get his line at all but I think its a set a LOT. If it is not a set, there is no way you're winning though. Maybe flip a coin for call/fold. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 river overshove by villain, if it's really the nuts, isn't as ghey as it seems.hero calls down two streets, looking like a diamond draw also.villain could half pot it, get looked up by Ax sometimes and win an extra $8.or he could overbet shove and win an extra $42 almost always when hero has diamonds.hero needs to have diamonds only ~1 out of 6 times for the overshove to be value neutral.personally, i wouldn't play it that way if i were villain, because i'd expect a value bet to be raised if hero had the flush, and given stacks, hero would probably be committed into calling a river 3bet. all the same, i wouldn't say the overshove is bad at all.if villain is thinking beyond level 0 at all, his river shove easily makes sense.if villain thinks at all about "what can i expect to be called by" - his hand range is totally polarized. it's either air or nuts. not 2 pair/set.we have to be right here a little less than half the time. and we're banking on villain being either a maniac or a total moron. is that true about half the time at 50NL on Stars? maybe, but i'm doubtful.btw - not a fan of the logic that if we call turn, we have to call river. villain can be donking us 2 streets with Ax through sets so we can chase for implied odds. but the river shove is such a dramatic event that it would be a mistake to not adjust his hand range probabilities. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I also hate the logic about if we call the turn we have to call the river. I think that logic makes alot more sense in a spot where a guys river bet tells us not much more about his range of hands then his turn bet did. Im not saying this is a fold or not, cause I dont have enough experience in these games to know what most villains have when they take this line, but calling this river just because we hit our hand is pretty bad when we may have been given enough info to make a good fold. Link to post Share on other sites
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