Interesting Hand In A Tourney Today

[GuzzDude 0]

This was in a 69+6 tourney on Tilt today... Board got real weird, real fast... looking for some feedback if I played it well or if I should have been more aggressive/passive. My s/n is in bold... - - -Full Tilt Poker Game #2217792031: $12,500 Guarantee (16292688), Table 19 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:48:56 ET - 2007/04/15Seat 1: pokeroutlaw (2,390)Seat 2: HighRising (6,830)Seat 3: SoDak30 (1,265)Seat 4: TouchDownCharli (902)Seat 5: poorbarman (3,035)Seat 6: pokerkurt (1,850)Seat 7: dando1 (6,160)Seat 8: mskdome (900)Seat 9: ucanthateme (2,524)HighRising posts the small blind of 30SoDak30 posts the big blind of 60The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to pokeroutlaw [Tc Ts]TouchDownCharli foldsucanthateme: readpoorbarman raises to 180pokerkurt foldsdando1 foldsmskdome foldsucanthateme foldspokeroutlaw calls 180ucanthateme: i compimented uHighRising foldsSoDak30 folds*** FLOP *** [9c Jh Th]pokeroutlaw: thanksucanthateme: complimented*poorbarman bets 240pokeroutlaw raises to 550poorbarman calls 310*** TURN *** [9c Jh Th] [8h]ucanthateme: gl pokerpoorbarman checkspokeroutlaw checks*** RIVER *** [9c Jh Th 8h] [9h]poorbarman bets 660pokeroutlaw has 15 seconds left to actpokeroutlaw: I really want to raise herepokeroutlaw calls 660*** SHOW DOWN ***poorbarman shows [Ad Ah] (a flush, Ace high)pokeroutlaw shows [Tc Ts] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)pokeroutlaw wins the pot (2,870) with a full house, Tens full of Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2,870 | Rake 0Board: [9c Jh Th 8h 9h]Seat 1: pokeroutlaw (button) showed [Tc Ts] and won (2,870) with a full house, Tens full of NinesSeat 2: HighRising (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 3: SoDak30 (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 4: TouchDownCharli didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: poorbarman showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a flush, Ace highSeat 6: pokerkurt didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: dando1 didn't bet (folded)Seat 8: mskdome didn't bet (folded)Seat 9: ucanthateme didn't bet (folded)

[Naismith 0]

First off, wrong forum. Secondly, convert your hands. Thirdly, OH MY GOD.EDIT: I just want to add that this is a raise 900 percent of the time.

[simo_8ball 0]

First off, wrong forum. Secondly, convert your hands. Thirdly, OH MY GOD.EDIT: I just want to add that this is a raise 900 percent of the time.

Also, raise more on the flop.

[Naismith 0]

Also, raise more on the flop.

Also, raise SOMETHING on the river!

[simo_8ball 0]

if I should have been more aggressive/passive.

You think you maybe should have been more passive?Oh and:

ucanthateme: i compimented u

[Zach6668 513]

First off, wrong forum. Secondly, convert your hands. Thirdly, OH MY GOD.EDIT: I just want to add that this is a raise 900 percent of the time.

Yeah, what he said.Read the Forum Posting Guidelines please.

[SteveR 0]

i think the play was just fine. if you raise the river, what is he going to call with that you have beat? the only thing it could be is 8's full or 9's full, which is possible, but unlikely. he very easily could have had the Qh. he also could have checked top set on the turn since the flush and straight got there.it seems like it was early in the tourny, and it was a pretty big pot with the re-pop and the bet on the river.

[simo_8ball 0]

i think the play was just fine. if you raise the river, what is he going to call with that you have beat? the only thing it could be is 8's full or 9's full, which is possible, but unlikely. he very easily could have had the Qh. he also could have checked top set on the turn since the flush and straight got there.it seems like it was early in the tourny, and it was a pretty big pot with the re-pop and the bet on the river.

sw?

[SteveR 0]

sw?

nope.with a four card straight flush out there its pretty risky, so we can safely assume that a raise on the river is not a bluff. if he raises the river and the opponant has less than the A high flush, he'll probably muck. if the opponant has the A high flush, and guzzdude raises the river, the oppoanant will know that he is raising without the Ah in his hand, and probably has a full house/straight flush, so he'll muck.what i am trying to say, is that there are almost no hands that will just flat call a raise. while it is very likely that guzz has the best hand on the river, there are very few hands that would pay him off.

[Kestral123 0]

You need to raise more on the flop; at least 3x his bet here. You priced him in for a whole lot of draws that were out there.Check on the turn is good.On the river, I'm shoving. Someone asked about what he's calling with; well, I betcha that he's calling with the nut flush, which is what he had. Also with 99 and 88. If he's got pocket jacks, or god forbid the Qh, then gg you. I'm certainly going to assume I'm good in this situation.FWIW, I'm ruling out the pocket jacks, because I think a reasonably smart player will jam the flop with JJ for the same reasons that you need to be raising more with your set - too many draws. As played, it would be darn near impossible for me to worry about any hand other than one with the Qh.

[SteveR 0]

You need to raise more on the flop; at least 3x his bet here. You priced him in for a whole lot of draws that were out there.Check on the turn is good.On the river, I'm shoving. Someone asked about what he's calling with; well, I betcha that he's calling with the nut flush, which is what he had. Also with 99 and 88. If he's got pocket jacks, or god forbid the Qh, then gg you. I'm certainly going to assume I'm good in this situation.FWIW, I'm ruling out the pocket jacks, because I think a reasonably smart player will jam the flop with JJ for the same reasons that you need to be raising more with your set - too many draws. As played, it would be darn near impossible for me to worry about any hand other than one with the Qh.

well 99 makes quads, so thats pretty bad for us. also to have 88 bet the flop and call the raise? possibly. as far as JJ, the guy could have called fearing KQ, and just wanted to see what develops, then forced to check the turn, then makes jacks full on the river.again, i think they might lay down the A high flush. there is nothing that guzz would raise with on the river that the nut flush would have beat.

[irishguy 14]

This river other than a ten is exactly what you checked the turn hoping for. RAISE!!!!

[Naismith 0]

What does everyone think of the hero's flop raise?

[copernicus 0]

nope.with a four card straight flush out there its pretty risky, so we can safely assume that a raise on the river is not a bluff. if he raises the river and the opponant has less than the A high flush, he'll probably muck. if the opponant has the A high flush, and guzzdude raises the river, the oppoanant will know that he is raising without the Ah in his hand, and probably has a full house/straight flush, so he'll muck.what i am trying to say, is that there are almost no hands that will just flat call a raise. while it is very likely that guzz has the best hand on the river, there are very few hands that would pay him off.

nut flush calls a reasonable raise, but not a push, and the nut flush is far more likely than the SF.

[irishguy 14]

What does everyone think of the hero's flop raise?

I hate it. With such a draw heavy board I'd look to make it closer to pot. The turn check is fine but the river needs to be raised. IMO hero played this hand pretty scared.

[copernicus 0]

I hate it. With such a draw heavy board I'd look to make it closer to pot. The turn check is fine but the river needs to be raised. IMO hero played this hand pretty scared.

With any larger raise on the flop he prices in a big draw on the turn, so villain should repush if he has a draw. Thats a decision hero doesnt really want to have to make with a set. A check behind may be even better than hero's raise in order to keep maximum leverage on a blank turn, but i dont mind the smallish raise.

[irishguy 14]

With any larger raise on the flop he prices in a big draw on the turn, so villain should repush if he has a draw. Thats a decision hero doesnt really want to have to make with a set. A check behind may be even better than hero's raise in order to keep maximum leverage on a blank turn, but i dont mind the smallish raise.

With this raise aren't we giving a good price to see the turn as is? If we raise more and villain shoves are we really all that worried about a flopped straight or top set?

[copernicus 0]

With this raise aren't we giving a good price to see the turn as is? If we raise more and villain shoves are we really all that worried about a flopped straight or top set?

We're not worried about those hands as much as the big draws. With the raise and call as played, hero limits a turn draw to 2:1 odds, or a 15 out draw....anything else is paying too steep a price. If hero bets more and gets called he can price out fewer hands on the turn.After villains flop bet he has all-in odds for a 10 out draw. After hero's actual raise villain is getting one card odds for the same 10 out draw, so he hasnt hurt himself on the flop, but helped hiimself for the turn.