LJB723 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I need help with how to play the turn in this hand. I feel that's where it went wrong. Villains are unknowns.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3783628 Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You went wrong with this hand PF. Don't limp with Q5dd on the button, thats usually a -EV play.Besides that, try to get the money in on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
dizzlerock 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You went wrong with this hand PF. Don't limp with Q5dd on the button, thats usually a -EV play.Besides that, try to get the money in on the flop.Agreed. as played you should also c/bet turn Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I don't know what a turn bet accomplishes; we're rarely called by worseQ5s OTB is fine given the right game / table dynamics Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I don't know what a turn bet accomplishes; we're rarely called by worseQ5s OTB is fine given the right game / table dynamicsHow is limping the button with Q5s fine? I might see raising, but even then. I think we want to be limping more with or sooted connectors and not Q5 Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I play it the same - with two players calling your flop raise, it's more likely that you're behind one of them. Also, the worst case comes into play where someone has a better hand and the other guy is on a better FD. I'll play a bunch of hands on the button so I think that as long as you trust your post flop play, it's fine limping that hand. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I don't know what a turn bet accomplishes; we're rarely called by worseQ5s OTB is fine given the right game / table dynamicsI doubt we're getting c/r on the turn, so in position, we can value-bet our top pair on the turn and check behind on the river when we don't improve, or fold because it looks like someone stuck around with 22. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 How is limping the button with Q5s fine? I might see raising, but even then. I think we want to be limping more with or sooted connectors and not Q5Like I said, you need the right situation. I'll go out on a limb and assume that this game is loose-passive. If you're in a game with mostly weak players, and you're an above average postflop player, then taking a flop in position is fine because you can extract maximum value from your hands, minimize loss, and never worry about being blown off your hand. It's one bet, we're in position, stacks are fairly deep, and the opponents are horrible, so taking a flop can't be that far wrong, if it is at all.I doubt we're getting c/r on the turn, so in position, we can value-bet our top pair on the turn and check behind on the river when we don't improve, or fold because it looks like someone stuck around with 22.I'm not worried about being c/r'd on the turn - I'm worried about what gobears just said, that we probably don't have the best hand, and worse hands won't call us. Given the flop action it looks like one of these players has us outkicked, and he's never folding. Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yeah I don't see a problem with my limp. I was never going to get in trouble with this hand. It would take a big hand or big balls for one of the blinds to raise into 4 limpers so I can get away easy pf and if I flop nothing I lose 1 bet, but getting 5:1 I may as well take a flop and I flopped huge. I wanted to get as much in on the flop as possible but didn't expect 2 callers, hence the turn check as I fully expected to be up against QT+ and/or a better flush draw and maybe even a straight draw, which got there.Trystero's right it was a pretty loose passive game, it's 1/2p ffs. I didn't think I was playing against Ivey-esque brilliance.The river shove shocked me. I actually thought he could have 56 and wanted it to look like a bluf Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Standard imo. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I play it the same - with two players calling your flop raise, it's more likely that you're behind one of them. Also, the worst case comes into play where someone has a better hand and the other guy is on a better FD. I'll play a bunch of hands on the button so I think that as long as you trust your post flop play, it's fine limping that hand.This. Meh, I think we either shove the turn or check it. If we had picked up straight outs, we can shove the turn. Since we didn't, I think check around and fold to the river bet OBV Link to post Share on other sites
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