Pocket Cowboyssssss (10nl) (6max)

[NoBBiR 0]

Second hand at the table, no reads.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (BB) ($10.05)UTG ($17.05)MP ($17.55)CO ($8.45)Button ($11.20)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K1 fold, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35Flop: ($1) 3, Q, 5(2 players)Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70Turn: ($2.40) 4(2 players)Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50River: ($5.40) Q(2 players)Hero?

[JaNnN 0]

cc always, unless the dude goes allin, pretty standard. Almost every other river is a bet including an ace or other boardpaircard.*edit; you know what i would bet this river and fold when an ace comes. He may be drawing to an acehigh flush.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Bet more on the turn?I think I check fold to a decent sized bet.

[JaNnN 0]

Bet more on the turn?I think I check fold to a decent sized bet.

Haha you also have trouble coming up with a sollid response?

[NoBBiR 0]

How much for a turn bet then? 2 straight?Nobody likes bet/folding the river to get value from middle pairs and hands like 56 or something?

[trystero 0]

I don't like b/f - on the river we're not beating anything anymore except missed spades. Villain TRUly has to be a donk to call us with worse at that point (and for that we'd need a read).It's either c/f or c/c, IMO, and which depends on 1) the villain (can he bet missed draws, is he as a rule aggressive 2) image (have I been calling lately, does he have reason to believe I will fold if I show weakness) and 3) pot odds - villain makes this easier on us if he bets $1 instead of $4.50. Since we don't have access to 2 of those I probably flip a coin and hope he doesn't bet too muchTough spot to be in - being OOP sucks

[mtdesmoines 3]

How much for a turn bet then? 2 straight?Nobody likes bet/folding the river to get value from middle pairs and hands like 56 or something?

Yeah, CO only has $8, so we need to look at ways to get enough in the pot ON THE TURN that he bluffs his missed FD or shoves his Q. So I think we probably need to be around PSB on the turn. I think a ton of these rivers are going to C/C down, and he's always betting a Q. If he's tricky, he might see the 2nd Q on the board and bet a missed FD just in case he can fold you, but that's suicidal from his position the way the hand played out. The river sort of boils down to an image thing I think.

[Dictius 0]

Villain only has roughly a pot sized bet left right?Betting is definitely out of the question on the river. He needs to be a megafish to call with worse.The only sensible hands that are going to bet the river are a queen (or better) or a missed draw. Since all we can beat is a bluff and we have no read that he bluffs missed draws we would essentially be guessing if we are right with a c/c.I think I c/f to a shove and c/c a smallish bet, say $2.50 or so.

[Dictius 0]

Yeah, CO only has $8, so we need to look at ways to get enough in the pot ON THE TURN that he bluffs his missed FD or shoves his Q. So I think we probably need to be around PSB on the turn. I think a ton of these rivers are going to C/C down, and he's always betting a Q. If he's tricky, he might see the 2nd Q on the board and bet a missed FD just in case he can fold you, but that's suicidal from his position the way the hand played out. The river sort of boils down to an image thing I think.

I doubt he will see the second Q as a good bluff card. Our hand looks a lot like a Q right? He might bluff the river anyway if he has a missed draw and now has no idea what to do, but if he is going to bluff a missed draw he is going to do it on any card imo.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I doubt he will see the second Q as a good bluff card. Our hand looks a lot like a Q right? He might bluff the river anyway if he has a missed draw and now has no idea what to do, but if he is going to bluff a missed draw he is going to do it on any card imo.

that's why I said it's suicidal to bluff the Q