qq in a squeeze

[MBrady 0]

pretty simple set up here1/2 Noble 10 handedI have Q Q UTGI raise, UTG+1 reraises, bunch of folds, SB caps, I call, UTG+1 callsFlop: J 8 2 SB bets, I .... ?Here's my dilemma here, It's pretty clear I'm up against some big hands . My only question is how big.In the actual hand I raised, which might have been the worst decision. I think outright folding to a single bet from the SB is a bit weak, but might also be the best option since I don't have the Q . Calling and then seeing if UTG+1 raised and SB reraised might have given me the same information as raising did. What is the order of options here from best to worst? My tentative is Calling>Folding>Raising

[speedz99 145]

Raising>Folding>Calling

[Wallacer 0]

Wow, that's not a pretty flop for your Q's. You were on Noble Poker as well? See I have some issues with noble. I made a few hundred there, but I noticed that there seems to be a lot more 'flush' flops than anywhere else. Raising seems like it could have some benefits. There's a good chance that the SB just flopped a nice draw and you're still best ie As Kh. Might be trying to bluff at a flush on the flop. The downside to a raise is that you still have UTG+1 behind you who can make a move and 3bet it. This hand just has too many draws to pick up an accurate read on anyone. for all you know you're drawing basically dead if someone flopped a flush, and even if you're best, there's two more scary cards to come that could put 4 to a flush on the board (you're F**ked) fill a straight etc. Folding would be a tough lay down for just one sb as well. My play would be to call the sb on the flop (I'm sure I'll get ripped on for it), fold to a raise by UTG+1 (in low limits people are rarely lying), hopefully take a cheap turn, and re-evaluate. If the turn is a terrible card like a spade, it's an easy fold. if it's a blank, we start to pick the men from the boys. Is he drawing or does he have a made hand. I know its common to hear that the best plays in limit are either a raise or a fold, but in this situation I order like so:call >> raise >> foldIf you were in preflop for only a single raise or so, then I might put fold ahead of raise, but you have to much of a commitment to the pot to let a single sb scare you righ out of it. In any situation, a look at the turn and a good re-evaluation seem best.-Wallacer

[MBrady 0]

My main problem with this hand is that I can't think of too many hands I'm ahead of at this point. UTG+1 reraised me, meaning he has to have at least something. I figure he has to either have two high cards, which is awful for me if one of them is a spade, or a big pair. Now the only pair I really want to run up against would be 10-10, without the spade. jacks make trips, queens are freerolling on me, kings and aces own me. There is nothing good about my position in this hand, add that with the fact that two folks came into this hand for 4 bets, and then the SB led out...ugh, no good at all.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I think I'm calling, and raising a non spade turn. spade or an overcard falls, its byebye

[MBrady 0]

I think I'm calling, and raising a non spade turn. spade or an overcard falls, its byebye

what if UTG+1 raises and SB calls? same answer?What if UTG+1 raises, and SB caps? easy fold?

[Jordan 1]

I think I'm calling, and raising a non spade turn. spade or an overcard falls, its byebye

exactly what i'd do.- Jordan

[speedz99 145]

I think I'm calling, and raising a non spade turn. spade or an overcard falls, its byebye

Do you really think you are getting away with calling only one bet?

[wrto4556 0]

fold

[Fira 0]

fold

Seconded.It was capped preflop, so if you're looking to win this pot, you had better hope they each have AK or TT with no spades. If someone has KKs or AAs, which is quite a possibility, you're drawing to one out.

[MadWolf1980 0]

That is really a tricky situation.Since you didnt post any additional information on your opponents i will think that they are solid players.I dont think that SB already has the flush. the only hand i can think of that justifies capping in his position with that would make a flush is AKs.So that leaves us with two possibilities1. hes on the come with AKo and the A or King of Spades. 2. a PP. given the fact that he capped the flop out of position this is more likely. I would rule out anyting below TT which leaves u with only one hand that u like him to have: TTAgainst both of these possibilities u r in bad shape: in 1. he has 15 outs to make either a flush or a higher pair and in 2. u r beat 80% of the timelets assume that in 50% he has Hand 1. That means u win a rough 25% of times. int the other 50% when he has a hand of the second type u r a big dog in 80% leaving u with only 10 % more to win. This adds up to 35% .Now we need to evaluate the hand of UTG+1. since he has position on u he might have a wider range of hands. Maybe he wanted to isolate u with a PP 77 - TT or something like AQ if he thinks that u have a medium PP.Personally i think that u are in much better shape against him than against the SB. Since the pot i laying u 14 to 1 here i don´t like to fold without any further information. If u just call u don`t gain too much. I think a raise i a good idea. If u get a reraise from either UTG+1 or the SB u should definitely fold. I they just call u need to reevaluate the turn card. If it is a Blank i would just call if SB raises again. If it is a Spade or a Picture Card it´s a easy fold.

[Tabulus 0]

I think fold.Preflop action says you're probably crushed given the board texture, and not having a spade makes it even worse. I think you're drawing to one out here most of the time.

[wrto4556 0]

sure, the pot is big, but its not nearly big enough.the times we are behind we are drawing to 1 out. The times we are ahead (which, imo, are very few) our opponents have 9-11 clean outs.this is a pretty easy fold.

[akishore 0]

sure, the pot is big, but its not nearly big enough.the times we are behind we are drawing to 1 out. The times we are ahead (which, imo, are very few) our opponents have 9-11 clean outs.this is a pretty easy fold.

up to 15 if it's A-K with a spade.i don't mind a fold, for the reasons chris mentioned as well as the fact that the jack on the flop also puts you behind JJ now.cold-cappable hands by all the but the most aggressive of players are usually pretty small, something like AA-QQ (sometimes as low as JJ, and sometimes not even QQ), and sometimes AK (not even for some players), rarely AQ or worse.how many of those hands do you beat? AA, no. KK, no. QQ, it's freerolling you, so no. JJ, no. TT, sure, but if they have a spade, they have a clean 11 outs and you're barely ahead. AK, no if they have a spade, if not, they're not giving us much more action.and note that this is just against SB. add in the holdings of UTG+1 behind us, and all in all, our situation just sucks massively.if the game is quite aggressive and you really feel you have a shot at this pot, i prefer kdawg's line. just call, see what UTG+1 does behind you. if he just calls, i'm raising/betting any non-spade/non-overcard turn. if he raises and SB just calls, i'm calling and betting any non-spade/non-overcard turn and reevaluating if he raises again. if he raises and SB three-bets, i'm getting out ASAP.unless the game is quite aggressive, though, folding--although it seems weak/tight--is probably best. reverse implied odds is the name of the game.aseem