FCP Bob 1,312 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 David Frum: Canada can fairly claim to be the best-governed country in the worldUnder Stephen Harper, Canada can fairly claim to be the best-governed country among advanced democracies in the world. Thursday’s federal budget locks up Canada’s lead. Right now, the major economies share a common economic problem: With the world slowly and fitfully emerging from the worst economic crisis since the 1930s, they must begin to plan to reduce their debt burdens — but not so fast that they crush demand and abort the recovery. The United Kingdom exemplifies the dangers of moving too fast: your recovery falters. The United States exemplifies the risks of moving too slow: The inability of its political system to agree on any plan to balance the budget has cost the world’s biggest economy its Triple-A credit rating.ARTICLE CONTINUED AT LINK ABOVE Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Recently Carl's Hardware Emporium with 2 locations in southern Kansas was able to claim the prize of best run corporation in the world, easily beating Home Depot because they are able to better adapt to changing labor issues and have a larger profit margin in a percentage of sales.............. Link to post Share on other sites
colonel Feathers 5 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Didnt canada just kick the libs out for a more conservative govt? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 Didnt canada just kick the libs out for a more conservative govt?The Liberals were in power from 1993-2006 with the Conservatives since then winning 2 minority governements and a majority the last election that we had.The Liberals under Chretien were quite fiscally Conservative and went from a large Budget Deficit to a large Surplus while in office.The Liberals are center left and the Conservatives are center right. The NDP are the far left wingers who call themselves a Social Democratic Party and they've never been and never will be in power although they are currently the Official Opposition and the second largest party in Parliament. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 The Liberals were in power from 1993-2006 with the Conservatives since then winning 2 minority governements and a majority the last election that we had.The Liberals under Chretien were quite fiscally Conservative and went from a large Budget Deficit to a large Surplus while in office.The Liberals are center left and the Conservatives are center right. The NDP are the far left wingers who call themselves a Social Democratic Party and they've never been and never will be in power although they are currently the Official Opposition and the second largest party in Parliament.Wonder if those two things have more in common than you are giving it credit for.Arguing that during the boom years a particular party did something that the other party could not have done is shallow thinking.Clinton did nothing but get elected while the internet was created and enormous new wealth to create his 'surplus' Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 Wonder if those two things have more in common than you are giving it credit for.Arguing that during the boom years a particular party did something that the other party could not have done is shallow thinking.Clinton did nothing but get elected while the internet was created and enormous new wealth to create his 'surplus'No, the Liberals here cut spending by quite a bit in real terms. When viewing the Canadian system take your notions of what the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" mean as they aren't the same labels as partisan Americans use. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 No, the Liberals here cut spending by quite a bit in real terms. When viewing the Canadian system take your notions of what the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" mean as they aren't the same labels as partisan Americans use. Well you just said liberals cut spending..so of course they are not the same as the ones here. Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 huh yeah canada actually does sound pretty good here whats the best beach there OH THATS RIGHTepic country fail Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 huh yeah canada actually does sound pretty good here whats the best beach there OH THATS RIGHTepic country failThey don't even have any food they are known for.Except Syrup...Which is a condiment.Canada: America's condiment Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 They don't even have any food they are known for.Except Syrup...Which is a condiment.Canada: America's condimentI have two words for you. Back Bacon Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 oh you mean ham yeah we've got that FACE Link to post Share on other sites
colonel Feathers 5 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I have two words for you. Back BaconI cannot argue with that one.Nor will I argue where the best hockey players come from,<not including the old soviet union>So Ill just lounge back here on coco beach and order another daiquiri Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 The Liberals were in power from 1993-2006 with the Conservatives since then winning 2 minority governements and a majority the last election that we had.The Liberals under Chretien were quite fiscally Conservative and went from a large Budget Deficit to a large Surplus while in office.The Liberals are center left and the Conservatives are center right. The NDP are the far left wingers who call themselves a Social Democratic Party and they've never been and never will be in power although they are currently the Official Opposition and the second largest party in Parliament.Basically, the Conservatives are basically cranky old white guys who have personal beliefs I disagree with, but are able to manage fiscally in a manner not significantly better or worse than other groups with more progressive views.If it was up to me, Paul Martin would be elected dictator-for-life.They don't even have any food they are known for.Except Syrup...Which is a condiment.Canada: America's condimentSyrup is a beverage, idiot.I cannot argue with that one.Nor will I argue where the best hockey players come from,<not including the old soviet union>So Ill just lounge back here on coco beach and order another daiquiriI hope the criminally underpaid illegal mexican making it for you doesn't spit in it or poision your rich ass. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Syrup is a beverage, idiot.I stand correctedI hope the criminally underpaid illegal mexican making it for you doesn't spit in it or poision your rich ass.I worked on a farm for a few seasons out here in southern California. There were about 600+ migrant workers. Each of them was paid minimum wage at the worst, those will skills in particular fruit ( like knowing when a grape is ripe, or a watermelon is ready to pick ) they made much more.Many of them worked the 3-4 months harvesting season, cashing only a couple checks, then took the rest of the uncashed checks back to Mexico where they would live on the remaining checks until next season.I'm sure there are some people who exploit the migrant workers, but they are not criminally underpaid as a rule. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Yeah, lol, minimum wage...here and in the USA, minimum wage is a joke and marginalizes people who already have it tough for whatever reason.US minimum wage pageShould people be paid more for slinging burgers? Probably not, but when the cost of living puts your family of 4 in a 1 bedroom apartment and you have to depend on food stamps to get by, I'm sure those migrant workers are vacationing in some pretty special spots. Like a nearby park or something. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Actually some migrant workers make more than enough to house and feed a family of 4.Look at grape pickers, many of them make over $50K a year, it's a skill to pick grapes properly ( table grapes ) since every single pallet of grapes picked is inspected by the USDA for sugar content and if the 4 lugs they pick fail, the pickers who picked that lug are required to re-pack the lug at their own expense.Migrant workers are like any other worker, the higher skilled the higher wage. The more workers, the lower wages, when there is a shortage, farmers pay a premium.The farmer I worked for joined with a bunch of the other farmers in the area to buy a 40 acre field to build a campground with showers and laundry facilities at an expense of about $500K. The California government stopped them because they said if they wanted to build a 'housing facility' they would be required to conform to crazy specs that boosted the price tag to millions. So instead migrant workers live 4-5 families to a trailer with no electricity or running water.My point was merely to disprove the notion that there are no 'criminally underpaid' migrant workers. Not as a rule anyway. Not in California. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Fair enough, BG. There is much to be said for industriousness. Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 355 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I'm applying for my Certification of Rehabilitation that will allow me to enter Canada, sometime in the next year. It's going to cost me $1K, 100% non-refundable in the event they deny my petition.Either way, my hope is that I can eventually live there. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 I'm applying for my Certification of Rehabilitation that will allow me to enter Canada, sometime in the next year. It's going to cost me $1K, 100% non-refundable in the event they deny my petition.Either way, my hope is that I can eventually live there.That's a good move since without it you can be denied even for a visit with a criminal record. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 That's a good move since without it you can be denied even for a visit with a criminal record.What about deserters? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 What about deserters? http://www.mediafreedominternational.org/2...uary-of-canada/ Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 http://www.mediafreedominternational.org/2...uary-of-canada/What do you expect..you have quite a bit of deserters from vietnam that you allowed to stay...of course you are a magnet now. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Actually some migrant workers make more than enough to house and feed a family of 4.Look at grape pickers, many of them make over $50K a year, it's a skill to pick grapes properly ( table grapes ) since every single pallet of grapes picked is inspected by the USDA for sugar content and if the 4 lugs they pick fail, the pickers who picked that lug are required to re-pack the lug at their own expense.Migrant workers are like any other worker, the higher skilled the higher wage. The more workers, the lower wages, when there is a shortage, farmers pay a premium.The farmer I worked for joined with a bunch of the other farmers in the area to buy a 40 acre field to build a campground with showers and laundry facilities at an expense of about $500K. The California government stopped them because they said if they wanted to build a 'housing facility' they would be required to conform to crazy specs that boosted the price tag to millions. So instead migrant workers live 4-5 families to a trailer with no electricity or running water.My point was merely to disprove the notion that there are no 'criminally underpaid' migrant workers. Not as a rule anyway. Not in California.Good post. Thanks for disproving the notion that there are no 'criminally unerpaid' migrant workers based on your very limited and dated personal experience, which involved almost no direct contact with migrant workers. Oh, except an unsupported suggestion that a bunch of farmers used to get together and kindly let hundreds (thousands?) of them live together in a field with *gasp* shower AND laundry facilities, but that they don't do that anymore and so now they live 4-5 families in a trailer with no electricity or running water. Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 355 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 That's a good move since without it you can be denied even for a visit with a criminal record.Canada and US Border authorities share access to NCIC/III (and our border guards get access to the Canadian equivalent), so it's basically 100% certain that anyone with a past felony (even DUIs) will be denied entry. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Good post.Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
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