is this angle shooting.. wrong?

[Tommyhawkers 0]

Okay, live situation. 2/4 NL. I raise to 20 on the button, in seat 9 9-handed, with AQs and get 3 callers. Sitting with around 250.UTG in seat 3 is loose and calls. UTG+1 also loose and calls. Guy on my right in seat 8 is tight and calls.Flop comes Kc7d7h. Checked around to me on flop. I bet out 30. UTG quickly folds. UTG+1 is kind of tricky and thinks for a minute or two while I silently stare at his chips trying to act like I'm inducing a call. I see guy on my right in seat 8 getting ready to throw his chips in out of the corner of my eye. As soon as I see UTG+1 begin to flick his wrist to muck his cards I quickly say "Wow! Good fold, I had the--" and stop abruptly.Seat 8 says "Hah! Wow kid you just lost yourself 30 bucks," shakes his head like I'm a retard, and mucks his cards. I say "Fukc! I'm sorry," and scoop the pot acting truely angry."Don't apologize to me, I appreciate it." I guess he says this trying to get me on tilt or piss me off. Is this wrong? Angle shooting - just immoral or against the rules? When your opponents are stupid enough to fold here is it justifiable?Give me your thoughts. I had [Ad Qd] just to be clear.

[NortonFan 0]

No, But I would of pointed at him and laughed while flipping my cards over at the same time.

[PimpRock 0]

I think angle shooting is the bidness. Man... if it really did go down like this I got nothing but love for you.I gotta go with Norton on this though... I think showing your cards in this spot woulda been +ev... just a thought but otherwise, good stuff.

[Socrates 0]

Do you not like money? Why would you not want him to call here? If he's tight, there's no way he called with a 7 and if he has a K, which he probably does, you'll make more than $30 most likely. I'm more baffled by your poor play than I am your question about angle shooting.

[KowboyKoop 0]

Do you not like money? Why would you not want him to call here? If he's tight, there's no way he called with a 7 and if he has a K, which he probably does, you'll make more than $30 most likely. I'm more baffled by your poor play than I am your question about angle shooting.

I will assume this is some kind of joke......the OP had Ace-high.......

[dna4ever 2]

Do you not like money? Why would you not want him to call here? If he's tight, there's no way he called with a 7 and if he has a K, which he probably does, you'll make more than $30 most likely. I'm more baffled by your poor play than I am your question about angle shooting.

I dont understand socrates, if he has a K how would he make more most likely? Hope one of his 3 aces falls or bluff him off the pot?and to the OP - I personally thing Angle Shooting sucks, but all is fair in poker and manly orgies so nh

[Royal_Tour 0]

I think angle shooting is the bidness. Man... if it really did go down like this I got nothing but love for you.I gotta go with Norton on this though... I think showing your cards in this spot woulda been +ev... just a thought but otherwise, good stuff.

I think showing your cards would be the dummest thing you could do.Dont let him see that you are capable of these types of plays.although i think it was down right dirty what you did, it was still cool that he fell for it.Personally i've never found myself folding a hand because of someone "pre-grabbing" for chips, or claiming big hands before the action is over.I also dont believe in "good fold" comments by villains. Its like your ex-wife saying. Nice divorce. "No.. no its not., its not a nice divorce, and its not a good fold, a good fold is when you fold and i win the pot you stupid censored idiot". sorry, sorta trailed off there.

[TruePoker 1]

Do you not like money? Why would you not want him to call here? If he's tight, there's no way he called with a 7 and if he has a K, which he probably does, you'll make more than $30 most likely. I'm more baffled by your poor play than I am your question about angle shooting.

on drugs?

[boyd84 0]

Thats a neat trick...im going to try to use that at my 1/2 NL game....

[Socrates 0]

Apologies. I'm having video issues with my system right now, vibrating screen, that sort of thing. I looked twice and thought he had AA. With that said, angle shooting is wrong, but I guess if that's the only way you can outplay someone then go for it.

[dna4ever 2]

Thats a neat trick...im going to try to use that at my 1/2 NL game....

man maybe its just the fact i donked off $600 last night, but theres something about the word neat that just drives me fucking crazy. almost as bad as nifty

[guinevar 0]

Thats a neat trick...im going to try to use that at my 1/2 NL game....

man maybe its just the fact i donked off $600 last night, but theres something about the word neat that just drives me fucking crazy. almost as bad as nifty

That's a swell post.

[dna4ever 2]

Thats a neat trick...im going to try to use that at my 1/2 NL game....

man maybe its just the fact i donked off $600 last night, but theres something about the word neat that just drives me fucking crazy. almost as bad as nifty

That's a swell post.

nh

[Royal_Tour 0]

Thats a neat trick...im going to try to use that at my 1/2 NL game....

man maybe its just the fact i donked off $600 last night, but theres something about the word neat that just drives me fucking crazy. almost as bad as nifty

That's a swell post.

hey everyone! Guinevar made a funny!nice!

[Tommyhawkers 0]

Apologies. I'm having video issues with my system right now, vibrating screen, that sort of thing. I looked twice and thought he had AA. With that said, angle shooting is wrong, but I guess if that's the only way you can outplay someone then go for it.

You Sir, fukcing own me. Not only do you own me, you own my family. You own my future children. I will suck you off for eternity.So what if that's the only way I can outplay someone. I'm a raging degenerate drug fiend. You've got it easy and should pity my type of people. We're worthless. Just hoping to cheer you up, Sir.I made $60 instead of losing $50. That's $110 or 13 BB (2 x bb). We can't all be on top of the world making a few grand an hour, like you, Sir.You own me.Your Pitiful Servant with love,Tommy

[Socrates 0]

Apologies. I'm having video issues with my system right now, vibrating screen, that sort of thing. I looked twice and thought he had AA. With that said, angle shooting is wrong, but I guess if that's the only way you can outplay someone then go for it.

You Sir, fukcing own me. Not only do you own me, you own my family. You own my future children. I will suck you off for eternity.So what if that's the only way I can outplay someone. I'm a raging degenerate drug fiend. You've got it easy and should pity my type of people. We're worthless. Just hoping to cheer you up, Sir.I made $60 instead of losing $50. That's $110 or 13 BB (2 x bb). We can't all be on top of the world making a few grand an hour, like you, Sir.You own me.Your Pitiful Servant with love,Tommy

Hey newbie, calm down. I was saying that angle shooting in my opinion is wrong, yet if you know you can't outplay the guy with the fact that angle shooting is not illegal then go for it and make your money.Why is that high school / college kids get so defensive about their play?

[Tommyhawkers 0]

Apologies. I'm having video issues with my system right now, vibrating screen, that sort of thing. I looked twice and thought he had AA. With that said, angle shooting is wrong, but I guess if that's the only way you can outplay someone then go for it.

You Sir, fukcing own me. Not only do you own me, you own my family. You own my future children. I will suck you off for eternity.So what if that's the only way I can outplay someone. I'm a raging degenerate drug fiend. You've got it easy and should pity my type of people. We're worthless. Just hoping to cheer you up, Sir.I made $60 instead of losing $50. That's $110 or 13 BB (2 x bb). We can't all be on top of the world making a few grand an hour, like you, Sir.You own me.Your Pitiful Servant with love,Tommy

Hey newbie, calm down. I was saying that angle shooting in my opinion is wrong, yet if you know you can't outplay the guy with the fact that angle shooting is not illegal then go for it and make your money.Why is that high school / college kids get so defensive about their play?

Probably because every old guy that makes comments like these to me when they suck out think they're good. Everytime my hand holds up in a big pot, they get pissed off because they got schooled by someone a third of their age. When the drunk guy that's been sitting and buying everyone drinks with his measly $800 paycheck he's worked for all week doing construction calls all $450 of his stack on a QQ with a board of A99 when I have AK. Stands up and tells me to "PUT THAT IN UR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!" when he hits his 1 outter after someone states they folded KQ. Because he just crippled the big stack being a retard. I smile, pull out a wad, go get more chips, and sit down. And he proceeds to say unnecesary comments about me blowing my tuition money all night.All the while I'm being the most polite person at the table. Of course, 2 hours later when he's back down to 150 from the $1,000+ stack he had, security has to come over so his dumbass doesn't hit me. LoL.Sorry for being the stereotypical bastard. Just thought your post was meant to make me feel like a dumbass. I thought I made the right move and would do it again. I'll take any edge I can get that's legal.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

Apologies. I'm having video issues with my system right now, vibrating screen, that sort of thing. I looked twice and thought he had AA. With that said, angle shooting is wrong, but I guess if that's the only way you can outplay someone then go for it.

You Sir, fukcing own me. Not only do you own me, you own my family. You own my future children. I will suck you off for eternity.So what if that's the only way I can outplay someone. I'm a raging degenerate drug fiend. You've got it easy and should pity my type of people. We're worthless. Just hoping to cheer you up, Sir.I made $60 instead of losing $50. That's $110 or 13 BB (2 x bb). We can't all be on top of the world making a few grand an hour, like you, Sir.You own me.Your Pitiful Servant with love,Tommy

Hey newbie, calm down. I was saying that angle shooting in my opinion is wrong, yet if you know you can't outplay the guy with the fact that angle shooting is not illegal then go for it and make your money.Why is that high school / college kids get so defensive about their play?

Probably because every old guy that makes comments like these to me when they suck out think they're good. Everytime my hand holds up in a big pot, they get censored off because they got schooled by someone a third of their age. When the drunk guy that's been sitting and buying everyone drinks with his measly $800 paycheck he's worked for all week doing construction calls all $450 of his stack on a QQ with a board of A99 when I have AK. Stands up and tells me to "PUT THAT IN UR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!" when he hits his 1 outter after someone states they folded KQ. Because he just crippled the big stack being a retard. I smile, pull out a wad, go get more chips, and sit down. And he proceeds to say unnecesary comments about me blowing my tuition money all night.All the while I'm being the most polite person at the table. Of course, 2 hours later when he's back down to 150 from the $1,000+ stack he had, security has to come over so his dumbass doesn't hit me. LoL.Sorry for being the stereotypical censored. Just thought your post was meant to make me feel like a dumbass. I thought I made the right move and would do it again. I'll take any edge I can get that's legal.

If people don't think your an ass for angle shooting (I don't like it, but I wouldn't let it affect my game) they will for everything in bold. You lost me with the stuff in bold. Just plain stupid. IMO. I've never noticed anything else completely dumb for you so maybe it is just an off day for you.

[mx957 0]

Apologies. I'm having video issues with my system right now, vibrating screen, that sort of thing. I looked twice and thought he had AA. With that said, angle shooting is wrong, but I guess if that's the only way you can outplay someone then go for it.

You Sir, fukcing own me. Not only do you own me, you own my family. You own my future children. I will suck you off for eternity.So what if that's the only way I can outplay someone. I'm a raging degenerate drug fiend. You've got it easy and should pity my type of people. We're worthless. Just hoping to cheer you up, Sir.I made $60 instead of losing $50. That's $110 or 13 BB (2 x bb). We can't all be on top of the world making a few grand an hour, like you, Sir.You own me.Your Pitiful Servant with love,Tommy

Hey newbie, calm down. I was saying that angle shooting in my opinion is wrong, yet if you know you can't outplay the guy with the fact that angle shooting is not illegal then go for it and make your money.Why is that high school / college kids get so defensive about their play?

Probably because every old guy that makes comments like these to me when they suck out think they're good. Everytime my hand holds up in a big pot, they get censored off because they got schooled by someone a third of their age. When the drunk guy that's been sitting and buying everyone drinks with his measly $800 paycheck he's worked for all week doing construction calls all $450 of his stack on a QQ with a board of A99 when I have AK. Stands up and tells me to "PUT THAT IN UR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!" when he hits his 1 outter after someone states they folded KQ. Because he just crippled the big stack being a retard. I smile, pull out a wad, go get more chips, and sit down. And he proceeds to say unnecesary comments about me blowing my tuition money all night.All the while I'm being the most polite person at the table. Of course, 2 hours later when he's back down to 150 from the $1,000+ stack he had, security has to come over so his dumbass doesn't hit me. LoL.Sorry for being the stereotypical censored. Just thought your post was meant to make me feel like a dumbass. I thought I made the right move and would do it again. I'll take any edge I can get that's legal.

Then why did you ask? If you don't like the answers you get, simple, don't ask the ****ing question. If you aren't as good as the players you play against, then angle shooting is your only option. Good luck.

[chipsnski 0]

Probably because every old guy that makes comments like these to me when they suck out think they're good.  Everytime my hand holds up in a big pot, they get censored off because they got schooled by someone a third of their age.  When the drunk guy that's been sitting and buying everyone drinks with his measly $800 paycheck he's worked for all week doing construction calls all $450 of his stack on a QQ with a board of A99 when I have AK.  Stands up and tells me to "PUT THAT IN UR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!" when he hits his 1 outter after someone states they folded KQ.  Because he just crippled the big stack being a retard.  I smile, pull out a wad, go get more chips, and sit down.  And he proceeds to say unnecesary comments about me blowing my tuition money all night.All the while I'm being the most polite person at the table.  Of course, 2 hours later when he's back down to 150 from the $1,000+ stack he had, security has to come over so his dumbass doesn't hit me. LoL.Sorry for being the stereotypical censored.  Just thought your post was meant to make me feel like a dumbass.  I thought I made the right move and would do it again.  I'll take any edge I can get that's legal.

HEY MAN, QUIT PLAYING WITH MY REGULARS!!!! 8) As far as your original question, if you want to add that to your bag of tools to use, so be it. Just don't get mad when someone does it to you.

[alf13 0]

Probably because every old guy that makes comments like these to me when they suck out think they're good.  Everytime my hand holds up in a big pot, they get censored off because they got schooled by someone a third of their age.  When the drunk guy that's been sitting and buying everyone drinks with his measly $800 paycheck he's worked for all week doing construction calls all $450 of his stack on a QQ with a board of A99 when I have AK.  Stands up and tells me to "PUT THAT IN UR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!" when he hits his 1 outter after someone states they folded KQ.  Because he just crippled the big stack being a retard.  I smile, pull out a wad, go get more chips, and sit down.  And he proceeds to say unnecesary comments about me blowing my tuition money all night.All the while I'm being the most polite person at the table.  Of course, 2 hours later when he's back down to 150 from the $1,000+ stack he had, security has to come over so his dumbass doesn't hit me. LoL.Sorry for being the stereotypical censored.  Just thought your post was meant to make me feel like a dumbass.  I thought I made the right move and would do it again.  I'll take any edge I can get that's legal.

Your little diatribe is amusing. Just be happy that you were playing against some weak players and not somebody who saw through your act.I don't mind angle shooting....it doesn't affect me....In fact...if I spot some stupid acting or angle shooting...It is usually to their demise....and when they ask me how I can call with just Ace high...I tell them that their oscar attempt was weak. Their game quickly goes into the toilet.

[majorleag 0]

Thats a neat trick...im going to try to use that at my 1/2 NL game....

man maybe its just the fact i donked off $600 last night, but theres something about the word neat that just drives me fucking crazy. almost as bad as nifty

How about peachy keen?

[majorleag 0]

Probably because every old guy that makes comments like these to me when they suck out think they're good. Everytime my hand holds up in a big pot, they get censored off because they got schooled by someone a third of their age. When the drunk guy that's been sitting and buying everyone drinks with his measly $800 paycheck he's worked for all week doing construction calls all $450 of his stack on a QQ with a board of A99 when I have AK. Stands up and tells me to "PUT THAT IN UR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!" when he hits his 1 outter after someone states they folded KQ. Because he just crippled the big stack being a retard. I smile, pull out a wad, go get more chips, and sit down. And he proceeds to say unnecesary comments about me blowing my tuition money all night.All the while I'm being the most polite person at the table. Of course, 2 hours later when he's back down to 150 from the $1,000+ stack he had, security has to come over so his dumbass doesn't hit me. LoL.Sorry for being the stereotypical censored. Just thought your post was meant to make me feel like a dumbass. I thought I made the right move and would do it again. I'll take any edge I can get that's legal.

Your little diatribe is amusing. Just be happy that you were playing against some weak players and not somebody who saw through your act.I don't mind angle shooting....it doesn't affect me....In fact...if I spot some stupid acting or angle shooting...It is usually to their demise....and when they ask me how I can call with just Ace high...I tell them that their oscar attempt was weak. Their game quickly goes into the toilet.

Very nice Alf!I was thinking the very same thing!Weak=StrongStrong=WeakVery few people know enough to mix this up enough to pull it off. I don't really see anything wrong with his angle play, but I agree that he got very lucky that it worked. If his opponent had been a better player he would have come back over the top or just smooth called and the teacher would have quickly become the student.

[DCSports92GSR 0]

no, thats in NO way angle shooting. good play.

[GhostfaceKillah 0]

Well this thread certainly went to hell.On a brighter note, One of the best angles ive seen is a common one for most B&M players. You miss your draw on the river so you check but the other guy in the hand checks behind you. If he says he missed or he asks you what you have you hold your cards in front of you and say top pair and wait for him to muck his cards. Ive done it once and ive seen it happen it a couple of other times.