Brisco 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 OK, I am taking a break from poker for a week for a trip I have to make. When i get back I plan to start learning how to play limit. So far I have only played NL and PL.I have two long flights ahead of me and will have plenty of time to do some reading.What is required reading for starting to play limit? I will assign 2k BR for the project what limits should i play?Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
teddyKGB 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 OK, I am taking a break from poker for a week for a trip I have to make. When i get back I plan to start learning how to play limit. So far I have only played NL and PL.I have two long flights ahead of me and will have plenty of time to do some reading.What is required reading for starting to play limit? I will assign 2k BR for the project what limits should i play?ThanksI did the same exact thing as you...except I started with a 100 dollar BR...now I am playing 3-6 LHE on FT...about to make the jump to 5-10.read Small Stakes Holdem, Skalnsky and the Theory of Poker, Sklansky...you will be good to go.with that BR you should be ok to play 3-6, just take it easy at first, you might have a huge downswing...better yet, you might want to start at 2-4.Matt Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Read:Small Stakes Holdem - Sklansky, Miller, MalmouthHoldem for Advanced Players - Sklanskywith a 2k roll and being new to limit i would say start off at 2/4. that'll give you 500bb to play with.if you experience a prolonged downswing you might want to drop to 1/2 until you have confidence in your game. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Why are people advising SSHE for someone starting with a 2k bankroll? That book is geared towards lower games. Try Harmon's section in SS2. I'm sure some of the Sklansky books are worthwhile as well, but I cant personally reccomend them since I dont have them Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 you can play $3/$6 with a $2000 bankroll and jump to $5/$10 when you hit $3000Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 <------Limit cash game playerMy 2 cents --------> I take it you experienced, possibly skilled in the the world of poker. You have built a nice roll for online limit, so don't start yourself too low. Limit play online is consderably worse than NL, I would start around 2/4 for maybe a week or 2 of play with success, Then move to 3/6. Beating the 5/10 games consistently doesn't take a complete limit wizard. I think you will find the variance is much smaller, and your average gain per session may even be bigger than in the NL games. That's about it..........and don't play out of position These guppies people genuinely do not want to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Why are people advising SSHE for someone starting with a 2k bankroll? That book is geared towards lower games.A 2k bankroll means starting at 2/4 or 3/6. SSHE is very appropriate for those stakes. Middle-limits don't start kicking in until 10/20 or so. HFAP and SS2 are both good, but most people will advise you that they're geared for high-limits (or at least middle-limits) and up. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Limit play online is consderably worse than NL,In my experience, this is completely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Fencer04 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I agree, those that play limit didn't learn from watching TV. All the real fish seem to gravitate to NL because that's what they watch on the tube. Been thinking of switching over to NL for a little while. Not sure if I will make the leap. Link to post Share on other sites
profxavier9 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I agree, those that play limit didn't learn from watching TV. All the real fish seem to gravitate to NL because that's what they watch on the tube. Been thinking of switching over to NL for a little while. Not sure if I will make the leap.this is true for online limit 1-2 and up but usually the low limits in any casino are horrendous even up to 10-20 often the play is terrible. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Why are people advising SSHE for someone starting with a 2k bankroll? That book is geared towards lower games. Try Harmon's section in SS2. I'm sure some of the Sklansky books are worthwhile as well, but I cant personally reccomend them since I dont have themLike Cobalt said, those books are perfectly fine up to 10/20 online.Also, they are good to read in order to get a baseline before moving to more advanced stuff like SS2. Link to post Share on other sites
fleung22 1 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yeah...those two Sklansky books are good for somebody who's already familiar with the game of holdem.Both are pretty advanced reads though and if you want to gear down I suggest the Lee Jones "Winning Low-Limit Holdem".Playing 2/4 is a good start because the blind structure is "normal". When you play 3/6, 5/10 or 15/30 you'll need to make slight adjustments with the 1-3, 2-5, and 2-3 blind structures.As long as you've been successful in holdem already I wouldn't advise playing below 2/4 limits because the rake is tougher to beat the lower you go.With that being said don't go too crazy the other way either because the quality of players really jump at 10/20 online. Link to post Share on other sites
erac22 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Whoever said to read Harmon's section in SS2 rather than SSHE, I completely and totally disagree. Harmon's section is about 1000/2000, i didn't realize this until I came to the section where she advocated raising preflop with 77, betting the flop of 3 over cards, and if you get action, check call to the river hoping to hit a set or pick off a bluff. i don't think this kind of play would be successful at limits like 5-10. She also advocates at some point calling in mid to late position with Q7 off. Again, not a profitable move at 3-6 or 5-10 IMO. I don't play much limit though so feel free to disagree. I would read SSHE though, SS2 is a good read, but probably won't do much for your game at limits like 5-10. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 A 2k bankroll means starting at 2/4 or 3/6. SSHE is very appropriate for those stakes. Middle-limits don't start kicking in until 10/20 or so. HFAP and SS2 are both good, but most people will advise you that they're geared for high-limits (or at least middle-limits) and up.I respectfully disagree. SSHE talks about loose games with 5-6 or more to a flop. FullTilt 1/2 and 2/4 play with about 3 to a flop. Party is looser by about a half a person. I haven't seen 50% to a flop at 1/2 anywhere except the occasional table with a maniac donk tilting the whole table. I think SSHE has some valuable insights, and some principles that could be usefull, but the specific advice is for games far looser than low limit online play has become. IMO of course. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I respectfully disagree. SSHE talks about loose games with 5-6 or more to a flop. FullTilt 1/2 and 2/4 play with about 3 to a flop. Party is looser by about a half a person. I haven't seen 50% to a flop at 1/2 anywhere except the occasional table with a maniac donk tilting the whole table. I think SSHE has some valuable insights, and some principles that could be usefull, but the specific advice is for games far looser than low limit online play has become. IMO of course.I see 30/60 tables with +40% to the flop...so I know that there are looser tables at lower stakes. Maybe not on FT, but other sites certainly.And anyway, SSHE also has guidelines for games that are somewhat tighter than that. The point isn't how tight-loose the game is...it's the level of sophistication of opponents. The majority of 1/2 and 2/4 players simply aren't as sophisticated as middle and high limit players. SSHE teaches a straight-forward approach to these games. Link to post Share on other sites
Eclypse 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Here's my advice:$2000 is enough to play 3/6, but I'd start out at 2/4 until you get more limit experience. (Actually, since you're new to limit, my REAL advice would be to put $300 on line and play $.50/$1.00 and build your bankroll--if you can't beat the $.50/$1.00, you won't be able beat the 2/4 or 3/6)Read Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller, Sklansky, Malmuth (we could quibble about stakes and how many people to the flop...blah, blah, blah, but it's STILL the best book out there IMO up to 20/40 limits). Also, read Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by Sklansky and Malmuth.Post some hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Why are people advising SSHE for someone starting with a 2k bankroll? That book is geared towards lower games. Try Harmon's section in SS2. I'm sure some of the Sklansky books are worthwhile as well, but I cant personally reccomend them since I dont have themThis terrible advice made my head hurt. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 this is true for online limit 1-2 and up but usually the low limits in any casino are horrendous even up to 10-20 often the play is terrible.TOTALLY agree!This play is like playing 10 man slot machine! Jam and pray. No way to protect a good hand. We call it "Chase the Ace" or "No fold 'em hold 'em".Horrendous suckouts here.Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites
jjdylan 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Like others have said....read SSHE by sklansky. Start out playing some 2/4 online till you feel comfortable with the game, and prove you can win at it. Sure, you have the bankroll for 3/6 but you'll get eaten alive if youve played little to no LHE before. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 This guy is serious about limit Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Don't switch, NL players get all the women and $$ Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 This guy is serious about limit Wow.That guy could use a few cheeseburgers, who ever he is! Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 This guy is serious about limitthat looks like Daniel's evil twin Skippy Link to post Share on other sites
BNH77 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Is that Worm? Link to post Share on other sites
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