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#1 GUGA KUERTEN

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 09:53 AM

Its the second level of a Deep Stack at PS I know I should raise the flop almost 100% of the time here but as played what should i do on the turn and river??PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton (t3985)SB (t4735)BB (t4480)UTG (t14770)UTG+1 (t5480)MP1 (t5970)MP2 (t5510)Hero (CO) (t5310)Hero's M: 118.00Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 :3h, 8 :4h1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero calls t30, Button calls t30, SB calls t15, BB checksFlop: (t150) 7 :qh, 8 :club:, A :ts (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t150, Hero calls t150, Button calls t150, 2 foldsTurn: (t600) A :D (3 players)UTG+1 bets t150, Hero calls t150, Button calls t150River: (t1050) 4 :5c (3 players)UTG+1 bets t1140, Hero calls t1140, Button calls t1140Total pot: t4470

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 10:02 AM

You have to raise the turn. Why are we just flatting there?You need to raise some point in this hand. Get value!!!!
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Posted 08 February 2009 - 10:25 AM

View PostTrueAce13, on Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

You have to raise the turn. Why are we just flatting there?You need to raise some point in this hand. Get value!!!!
what he saidany reason why you didn't raise?

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 10:28 AM

I'll go a step farther: raise the flop. Your set is probably good but there's a FD on board and if you call, anyone yet to call who's on a FD is getting a good price to see the next card.But as played, once we fill up on the turn I can see staying slow with our betting to keep our customers. But we ought to make some sort of raise for value. Since the turn lead was rather small, and since the board plus our flop call as played disguises our boat, we'll probably see a reasonably sized raise get called by either FD, which we're obviously not worried about.UTG+1 really helped you get value on the river by leading for a sizable amount, as did button when he overcalled. Got a bit lucky there, as I think that's as much value as you could have extracted... unless of course somebody turned over A8 or AA. That would suck.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 10:31 AM

Question. Would it be competely donkish to raise river?

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 10:45 AM

View Postdizzlerock, on Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

Question. Would it be competely donkish to raise river?
No. imho
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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:32 AM

Yeah I know I should raise the flop, this is really the main mistake in this hand I think. Raise the flop and if I get reraised I can go allin knowing I have the best hand but then the turn hits the A and now i can be against A7 or A8 with the stacks so deep in these tournaments people is limping with this type of hands.RAISE THE FLOP!!!

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 12:27 PM

View PostGUGA KUERTEN, on Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 1:32 PM, said:

Yeah I know I should raise the flop, this is really the main mistake in this hand I think. Raise the flop and if I get reraised I can go allin knowing I have the best hand but then the turn hits the A and now i can be against A7 or A8 with the stacks so deep in these tournaments people is limping with this type of hands.RAISE THE FLOP!!!
true.But you can also be up against EVERY OTHER Ax COMBO IN THE DECK WHICH IS ALMOST NEVER FOLDING TO A RAISE.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 06:42 AM

View PostGUGA KUERTEN, on Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Yeah I know I should raise the flop, this is really the main mistake in this hand I think. Raise the flop and if I get reraised I can go allin knowing I have the best hand but then the turn hits the A and now i can be against A7 or A8 with the stacks so deep in these tournaments people is limping with this type of hands.RAISE THE FLOP!!!
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 06:54 AM

Checking the flop isn't that bad imo, but I probably would with straight & flush draws. Once the board pairs, I'm going broke with this hand. Get it in!!!!! Your hand is VERY underrepped.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 07:23 AM

Here is how I would have played the hand.On the flop, I would definately raise the flop for a few reason. 1. Getting my money into the pot when I am confident I have the best hand. 2. If my opponent has a pair of aces, another diamond (or even a 6 or a 9) would be a scare card for them, and would likely shut down my chances for more money. 3. If they are drawing, I don't want to give them a free chance to draw out on me.On the turn, I would definately have to rely on my opponents tendencies, and if my hand reading abilities are any good that day. If my opponent is aggressive, I would let them do the betting. They may assume that ace is a bad card for me and either bet because if they had a pair of aces, it is now a set of aces, or they may try to bluff me, misinterpreting the check for weakness. If my opponent is passive and call a lot, or if I feel they are on a draw, I would raise, but I would keep it small enough so that they are convinced to call if they are on a draw. I don't want to scare them away, I want the most money I can get, and when they fold I don't get their money. The best case would be that a diamond hits on the river and they have a great flush that is second place to my full house. Because of the small bet on the turn, I may get all of your opponenets chips on the river.On the river, I would bet or raise and hope that I get called, or raised. If I get raised I'm going all in.This is just one idea of how someone could play this hand. Anyone, let me know if this makes any sense. I am just getting to know the game of poker, and I am not sure if my ideas and thought process are out of wack.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 04:22 PM

View Postdizzlerock, on Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 6:31 PM, said:

Question. Would it be competely donkish to raise river?
No, however at least raising the turn (or possibly the flop) makes this hand way easier to play and extract value from. Shovelling is a nice way to play riversince it looks like you might be turning your hand into a bluff and you're always getting paid by any spazzy ace (which it looks like he might have).

View Postoutsider13, on Monday, February 9th, 2009, 2:54 PM, said:

Checking the flop isn't that bad imo, but I probably would with straight & flush draws. Once the board pairs, I'm going broke with this hand. Get it in!!!!! Your hand is VERY underrepped.
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 06:03 PM

I would most likely 3x bet the flop to 450. if both called flop raise I would pot the turn and shove to a raise or just shove the river anyway.The way it was played. Seeing how not only you called the flop you MUST raise that turn bet. Prob pop it to 600. Then put in the pot on the river and call any shove.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 10:39 PM

View PostHighwayStar, on Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 12:22 AM, said:

No, however at least raising the turn (or possibly the flop) makes this hand way easier to play and extract value from. Shovelling is a nice way to play riversince it looks like you might be turning your hand into a bluff and you're always getting paid by any spazzy ace (which it looks like he might have).
looking back on it, this makes no sense at all. My excuse is I don't remember posting it.But yea...raise the flop or turn or both. Just raise.I'd prob shove river as played.
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 11:19 PM

Raise flop, shove turn
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 12:27 PM

If someone is in that hand with A7 or A4 they should be shot, so you might as well hang in there and, if you feel shaky, play it safe and just call, like you did.
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