Is My Line Too Fast

[Marchione 0]

PokerStars Game #18872791392: 7 Card Stud Limit ($10/$20) - 2008/07/16 - 20:28:08 (ET)Table 'Umtata II' 8-maxSeat 2: CestSiBon ($553.50 in chips) Seat 3: pokeroldmanl ($290 in chips) Seat 4: LFISGD2ME ($130 in chips) Seat 5: Walking dude ($300 in chips) Seat 6: Intrepid ($461 in chips) Seat 7: samajars ($609 in chips) Seat 8: queenofhart ($540 in chips) CestSiBon: posts the ante $1pokeroldmanl: posts the ante $1LFISGD2ME: posts the ante $1Walking dude: posts the ante $1Intrepid: posts the ante $1samajars: posts the ante $1queenofhart: posts the ante $1*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to CestSiBon [Tc]Dealt to pokeroldmanl [6c]Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h]Dealt to Walking dude [9s]Dealt to Intrepid [Js]Dealt to samajars [7d]Dealt to queenofhart [4c]queenofhart: brings in for $3CestSiBon: calls $3pokeroldmanl: folds LFISGD2ME: raises $7 to $10Walking dude: calls $10changho joins the table at seat #1 Intrepid: raises $10 to $20samajars: folds changho is sitting outqueenofhart: folds CestSiBon: folds LFISGD2ME: raises $10 to $30Walking dude: folds Intrepid: calls $10*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h] [8s]Dealt to Intrepid [Js] [5c]Intrepid: checks LFISGD2ME: bets $10Intrepid: calls $10*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h 8s] [6h]Dealt to Intrepid [Js 5c] [7c]Intrepid: checks LFISGD2ME: bets $20Intrepid: calls $20*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h] [4h]Dealt to Intrepid [Js 5c 7c] [Td]Intrepid: checks LFISGD2ME: bets $20Intrepid: raises $20 to $40LFISGD2ME: raises $20 to $60Intrepid: raises $20 to $80Betting is cappedLFISGD2ME: calls $9 and is all-inUncalled bet ($11) returned to Intrepid*** RIVER ***Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h 4h] [5d]*** SHOW DOWN ***LFISGD2ME: shows [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h 4h 5d] (a flush, Ace high)Intrepid: mucks hand LFISGD2ME collected $278 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $281 | Rake $3 Seat 2: CestSiBon folded on the 3rd StreetSeat 3: pokeroldmanl folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 4: LFISGD2ME showed [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h 4h 5d] and won ($278) with a flush, Ace highSeat 5: Walking dude folded on the 3rd StreetSeat 6: Intrepid mucked [Jc 7s Js 5c 7c Td Qc]Seat 7: samajars folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 8: queenofhart folded on the 3rd Street

[SwolyswoND 1]

I don't necessarily like the 3-bet on third street. The villain has pretty much told you he has JJ+, which you are well behind right now. A 3-flush isn't THAT strong of a starting hand, even with an ace - I'd just call here and hope that villain reads me for split 9's and leads the whole way.If you're doing this play to disguise your hand, I don't mind it - but if you were doing it for straight value - I don't like it at all. Obviously it worked out, and the rest of the streets were fine, but I really don't like 3rd.

[AmScray 355]

7 Card Stud High ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)3rd Street - (0.70 SB)Seat 2: xx xx T ___calls___foldsSeat 3: xx xx 6 ___foldsHero: A J 9 ___raises___raisesSeat 5: xx xx 9 ___calls___foldsSeat 6: xx xx J ___raises___callsSeat 7: xx xx 7 ___foldsSeat 8: xx xx 4 ___brings-in___folds4th Street - (8.30 SB)Hero: A J 9 8 ___betsSeat 6: xx xx J 5 ___checks___calls5th Street - (5.15 BB)Hero: A J 9 8 6 ___betsSeat 6: xx xx J 5 7 ___checks___calls6th Street - (7.15 BB)Hero: A J 9 8 6 4 ___bets___raises___calls $9 and is all-inSeat 6: xx xx J 5 7 T ___checks___raises___raisesRiver - (14.60 BB)Hero: A J 9 8 6 4 5 ___all-inSeat 6: xx xx J 5 7 T xxTotal pot: (14.60 BB)

[antistuff 0]

I don't necessarily like the 3-bet on third street. The villain has pretty much told you he has JJ+, which you are well behind right now. A 3-flush isn't THAT strong of a starting hand, even with an ace - I'd just call here and hope that villain reads me for split 9's and leads the whole way.If you're doing this play to disguise your hand, I don't mind it - but if you were doing it for straight value - I don't like it at all. Obviously it worked out, and the rest of the streets were fine, but I really don't like 3rd.

i don't play much stud, but i was reading through stud for advanced players. in it he gives a similar example and says that it is a three bet on third here every time.

[Marchione 0]

I love my play on 3rd knowing i have a jack and all my hearts are live~come on guys what about my equity and being short stacked - their might be a lesson to be had here !

[HangukMiguk 8]

I highly doubt villain would have split jacks there. I would be willing to assume we're looking at QQ-J or TT-J over anything else. It's not a horrible play, I probably would've slowed down and played a smaller pot at the start when he raised 3rd, otherwise, I play it similarly.Results say my read was wrong, but I was still deduce that I'm looking at queens or tens more often than not. He is, at the very least, obv saying he has split nines beat.

[Marchione 0]

I cant check on 4th because i then announce i was 3 flush - If i were to check/fold i would have to do it on 5th if i bricked out .Also when it's 3 bet on 3rd and i only have 130$ he now knows that the I am committing my entire stack which should give him a chance to fold

[Frez 0]

Also when it's 3 bet on 3rd and i only have 130$ he now knows that the I am committing my entire stack which should give him a chance to fold

I'm not sure I agree with that statement, but it's your statement, not mine. Could you expand on it please? You've put 3 SBs into the pot, there's 8 total there, and you have 13 more behind. I'm not sure I would feel committed there.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

looks pretty sweet

[Marchione 0]

I'm not sure I agree with that statement, but it's your statement, not mine. Could you expand on it please? You've put 3 SBs into the pot, there's 8 total there, and you have 13 more behind. I'm not sure I would feel committed there.

if someone has a a short stack and they three bet you - at that point you know they are not folding, they are saying " my 130$ is going in and you better hit your draw" I fear the person with the short stack far more then they guy with the big stack

[KingJames 11]

As far as deception goes, the 3-bet on 3rd works...If villain has AA KK or even QQ I imagine they 4-bet, so I think that TT split jacks is most likelyHis check raise on 6th makes me think it's TT and made a setWell Played

[DWMREP 0]

I think three betting 3rd is good in some ways that it puts you in the lead, with position, assuming you don't catch a higher card than him. I like the bet on 4th as well,. but what was your plan if you happen to catch a total blank on 5th, do you slow down at that point and take a free card, trying to catch something, or do you continue with your bluff?