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tough decision late in nlh mtt w/ jacks


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4k Guarantee on Full TiltBlinds: 400/800, Ante: 100Down to 21 out of 250 or so, already ITMAvg. Stack ~ 10,000Stack sizes:MP2: (7,145)CO: (4,805)Btn: (5,975)Hero, SBBB: (14,470)UTG: (39,489)MP1: (28,641)Dealt to Hero [J :spade: J :club: ]Preflop:2 folds, MP2 raises to 1,600, 1 fold, Button reraises all-in to 5,875, Hero???Preflop decisions are generally so clear cut at this stage, but I've been thinking a lot about this one. Button is in trouble, but his range can be narrowed considerably due to the fact that he's pushing into the opener, who has him covered, right? What can we put him on?

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this is really a tough hand to play. Although it may not help your strategy it may help your mindset to know that I really don't have any idea what to do here. One thing I will notice is that the first raiser is reasonably shortstacked as well (<8000) so he could just be trying to get action on a monster (AA, KK, QQ), and then on top of that add that to the all in by the button into a preflop raiser, means that I think folding is the best play. Also even if you do call(or move in is more likely) it just creates a bigger pot for the first raiser to decide to gamble. I definetely don't want to take jacks into a 3-way all in hand, because in a tourney you're just so unlikely to get out of it with a win. I say fold.

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with your stack size, i dont see how you can lay this hand down. being that this is 7 handed hurts you even more. the range of hands that your opponent could be raising and reraising with are large, since they're both shortstacked. i just cant see a fold here.the first raise seems like a steal, the reraise could be anything from a smaller pair to two big cards. i dont like risking my tournament life on jacks preflop, but here, i dont think you can afford to lay them down.

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This is definitely a tough one. Both Davin and ww make excellent points. IMO folding here is not out of line. The range of hands that the button can play here is very small being short stacked with a pre-flop raiser in front of him. The best you can hope for here is smaller pp for both of them but unlikely. I lay this down and look for a better place to get my chips in.

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4k Guarantee on Full TiltBlinds: 400/800, Ante: 100Down to 21 out of 250 or so, already ITMAvg. Stack ~ 10,000Stack sizes:MP2: (7,145)CO: (4,805)Btn: (5,975)Hero, SBBB: (14,470)UTG: (39,489)MP1: (28,641)Dealt to Hero [J :spade: J :club: ]Preflop:2 folds, MP2 raises to 1,600, 1 fold, Button reraises all-in to 5,875, Hero???Preflop decisions are generally so clear cut at this stage, but I've been thinking a lot about this one. Button is in trouble, but his range can be narrowed considerably due to the fact that he's pushing into the opener, who has him covered, right? What can we put him on?
If you can give either player credit for being solid, this is a pretty easy laydown. It's a situation where a person with any common sense would have to have a hand in either position.If it were me, and I was just moved to the table, I would probably gamble and throw in the extra 2k and hope for the best. I can live with getting busted here if that's what happens. I'm nowhere near the big money and I'm only worried about a few hands, none of which have me dead on arrival. I have seen players who attempt to steal the blinds in a full-ring table with a min-raise from UTG. To quote you, I "think everyone is a donkey." :club:
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Tough decision. I'd say that without a good read on my oppoents I'd go ahead and move in here. With the blinds and antes you only have chips for another five rounds or so. Also it looks like all the chips are on your left so it's going to be hard to steal unless you have enough chips to scare them off.I'm not that happy with the situation but I think you have to gamble. If the BB and MP2 fold there's 3100 in dead money and I'm willing to take my chances. Three way I don't like my hand so much but you're going to have to take some risks to build a big stack. If the table was playing very weak and I could pick up blinds easily then I might fold but that's probably not the case.

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tough hand for sure. I could very well be wrong here but i say push. I almost types back flip a coin drink a beer and go with the coin but rethinking it I'd say push. Your still a ways off the big money and your going to need some chips. With the blinds and antes you might end up waiting for a better spot only to be down to 5000 in chips when you decide you have to go with ace rag. mp2's raise could mean a monster, but could mean he doesn't really want to commit to the hand. I think you have to gamble for a chance at a good size pot that I think you'll probably get heads up for. Both players could have easily made that play with ak or mp2 even worse. The kicker is neither of them can bust you, and while you'll be in terrible shape you'll still have a chip and a chair as they say. I say push.

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with your stack size, i dont see how you can lay this hand down. being that this is 7 handed hurts you even more. the range of hands that your opponent could be raising and reraising with are large, since they're both shortstacked. i just cant see a fold here.the first raise seems like a steal, the reraise could be anything from a smaller pair to two big cards. i dont like risking my tournament life on jacks preflop, but here, i dont think you can afford to lay them down.
This post makes perfect sense. If these two players both had you covered, I would likely laydown because of my chipstack compared to others. Because these players have less than you, I push.. If one of them has queens, kings or aces, there isn't much you can do about that.
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I dont know why everyone thinks the decision is so tough. Everyone has come to the same, and what I believe correct conclusion. Tough situation maybe, but the best decision is to move in here.I'm not overly worried about the initial raise, although it is small, he is short and might be trying to steal cheap to make it through the blinds. Any bigger of a raise and hes definitely committed to the pot, because the raise is so small he left room to get away from the hand, which you have to take into account. The reraiser is short as well and is probably making this move with 66-aa and a10-ak and possibly kq, kj. You have too many of those hands beat. I dont love getting into this spot with JJ but I think its the only correct play.edit: I must suck at reading, many of you said to lay it down. I disagree with those people.

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I say push. Especially if we think there is any chance that UTG will fold. Heads up chance are we are no worse then a coinflip. I get the vibe though that UTG has K-Jish and just wants everyone to go away and Button has a 99 or something and wants to win it right there. I see that all the time. People know that the middle pairs are strong but don't want to play with them postflop.Besides we want to win this thing. I take a chance and try to get a nice stack going and a trip to the final table. We want top 5 money not top 15 money. Besides laying down Jacks here is pretty weak tight I think.

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I dont think its that clear to push. The reason I dont think its clear, especially if the button has shown patience, is that he has some time to make a move, and isnt going to reraise without solid values. I put him on AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, TT, 99, 88, which makes playing a coinflip. You are getting decent odds for a coin flip, but at risk of crippling yourselfI probably wind up pushing also, butat the table im not sure what i would have done.

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...Also it looks like all the chips are on your left so it's going to be hard to steal unless you have enough chips to scare them off.
This is probably the best observation I've noticed in the thread. There were still 3 7-handed tables at this point but ALL the chips were sitting in front of those two guys. Nobody at another table had anything close. So this was a large factor in the decision making process. They were both defending their blinds aggressively.Like many have said, I think we can narrow the button's range considerably due to the fact that he wasn't opening. I think Copernicus said his range is likely [AA-88, AK-AQ] which I think is right, and that means we are a coinflip. I have no problem jamming here with the possibility of dead money already in the pot. If I take this pot down I'm quickly in contention to win, and the difference in $ between going out 21st and 10th is fairly negligible.I pushed, MP2 folded, button called with AK and he caught an ace. I still think it's the right play, and I would make it again. I still had enough chips to rebuild, and I ended up final tabling anyway.Thanks for the responses. Pretty evenly split, which I was kinda hoping it would be.
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