r23y 2 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Sitting at a 45 person sng 13 people left I am in the small blind it gets folded around to me with 66 only about 8 bb left.I shove bb calles for 3/4 of his stack with 9d5d.a 5 on the flop and another on the turn I am done.Is this the right move or could I have done someting different? Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 You played it fine. The BB made a bad call.Move on Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Sitting at a 45 person sng 13 people left I am in the small blind it gets folded around to me with 66 only about 8 bb left.I shove bb calles for 3/4 of his stack with 9d5d.a 5 on the flop and another on the turn I am done.Is this the right move or could I have done someting different?I shove with 27o in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8 BBs left. If that answers your question.BB is just an awful player. Link to post Share on other sites
r23y 2 Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 Normally with it folded around to me in that situation I shove with almost anything.I was just wandering if I should just call with a made hand.Then go from there. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I shove with 27o in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8 BBs left. If that answers your question.BB is just an awful player.66 shove was fine.27o shove is not unless you're at least < 6 BBs. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 66 shove was fine.27o shove is not unless you're at least < 6 BBs.It was an exaggeration. Link to post Share on other sites
Danege 1 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Normally with it folded around to me in that situation I shove with almost anything.I was just wandering if I should just call with a made hand.Then go from there.What are your thoughts on the pros/cons of limping 66 there as opposed to shoving.It was an exaggeration.No it wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 No it wasn't.Yes...Yes it was.. but either way..it doesn't really matter.It could easily be argued depending on the level, blinds, and stack sizes that shoving with 2 7 in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8BBs is profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Yes...Yes it was.. but either way..it doesn't really matter.It could easily be argued depending on the level, blinds, and stack sizes that shoving with 2 7 in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8BBs is profitable.Maybe if the BB is dead. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Maybe if the BB is dead.Please educate then. Explain to me how this would not be +EV. Can we not shove any two cards against any opponent in the SB when they are the short stacked and be +EV?The BB is obviously also a short stack chip as he called off 3/4's of his stack to his shove. Wouldn't this be the ideal situationto shove 2 7 as the BB is also a short stack so we still have a little fold equity? Link to post Share on other sites
Danege 1 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Told you it wasn't an exaggeration. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Told you it wasn't an exaggeration.It was an exaggeration actually, though I have no issue arguing for it. Assuming the BB isn't extremelyshort stacked or a huge chip leader and depending on the blinds, shoving with 2 7 could most certainlybe profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 It was an exaggeration actually, though I have no issue arguing for it. Assuming the BB isn't extremelyshort stacked or a huge chip leader and depending on the blinds, shoving with 2 7 could most certainlybe profitable.JSpencer, you have 2 of the top 4 180 grinders (although tehtoe's moved on from them he still counts ) on this site telling you it's unprofitable, and I have like 5k-6k 45 mans of experience to also tell you it's not.The magic number for those kinds of shoves is 4-6 BBs, not 8. Your equity is too high with 8.Hell, 2 of the "top" (I use quotes because I don't believe they are but they're recognized as such by many, I think they've got some huge leaks) 45 man grinders, Frenzuh and Zornh0lio, fold down to 3 BBs before trying any of these. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 JSpencer, you have 2 of the top 4 180 grinders (although tehtoe's moved on from them he still counts ) on this site telling you it's unprofitable, and I have like 5k-6k 45 mans of experience to also tell you it's not.The magic number for those kinds of shoves is 4-6 BBs, not 8. Your equity is too high with 8.Hell, 2 of the "top" (I use quotes because I don't believe they are but they're recognized as such by many, I think they've got some huge leaks) 45 man grinders, Frenzuh and Zornh0lio, fold down to 3 BBs before trying any of these.Who's the 4th?I fold complete bottom 5% crap with pretty much any stack in a blind battle unless there's areason not to. Below 4BBs you have no fold equity and you can always get better spots before the next BB. From 4-6 BBs I might depending on the BB and what stack he has, I may well pass it up though. Above 6 it's likely not profitable.Below say...2.5 you pretty much have to unless there's a bubble consideration. It's rare I'll find myself with 3 BBs in the SB unless I just lost a big pot. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Who's the 4th?As I said on AIM, TimWakefield.EDIT: Make that 3 of the top 4, as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 There's more equity in an 8 BB stack than most people realize in turbo MTTSNGs + everything phil and lurbz said. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Sparco 2 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 If BB is on the tight side, though, shoving with 27o could quite easily become +cEV.Without antes, BB needs to call with almost 40% of his hands for our shove to be -cEV.With antes, he even needs to call with almost 50% of his hands.(Last column is our cEV, the three to the left are our EV from him folding, calling and losing, and calling and winning respectively.)Disclaimer 1: it's late and I'm tilted, so there may be mistakes.Disclaimer 2: cEV is not everything; at some point ICM comes into play, and of course it does not take into account that we may have an edge over the field. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Disclaimer 2: cEV is not everything; at some point ICM comes into play, and of course it does not take into account that we may have an edge over the field.Def this part.~ the 5-6 BB level, this shove becomes profitable-ish in ICM, 3-4 BBs is obv shoveland.I mean if I'm sitting 10 handed with an 8 BB stack I'm not piling there. 13 handed should be no different. Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Who's the 4th?i hope it's--As I said on AIM, TimWakefield.goddamnit. Link to post Share on other sites
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