Problems Playing With A Deeper Stack $3 Rebuy 180

[CorvairShaggy 5]

I hope I am not junking up the forums. No one seems to post, so if I am posting idiotic stuff, just tell me. I need to go on a vacation for a week anyway, because it is not being enjoyable losing anymore.Anyway, not going to turn this into a whine post, but here is a few hands from last tourney that I am sure I f'd up royally.Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t500/t1000 ante t100 - 9 playersMP2 LilFishAtL: t22,668 HJ Dubra1: t12,157 CO F.Ch.L.W_W: t11,890 Button WPT_Dream: t6,501 SB steemn: t11,424 BB Hero: t17,396 UTG alunda2010: t13,956 UTG+1 ULTRAFIHS: t13,838 MP BinkShow17: t16,525 Preflop: (t2,400) Hero is BB with (9 players)4 folds, Dubra1 raises to t2220, 3 folds, Hero calls t1220Flop: (t5,840) (2 players)Hero checks, Dubra1 bets t2621, Hero foldsDubra1 collected t5840Alright, I was worried about not being spewey here. I had ~16 effective BBs, so I felt a shove would have been an overshove. Generally at under 60 people left, guys are shoving 10bbs and less. I felt like with his small bet he might have a small pair. Cheap flat for a A or K. At flop miss for me, and he bets again, so I feel like he is pot committed, and I am behind at this point if he has a small pair. IDK. Thoughts??Converting hands till the cows come homePokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t500/t1000 ante t100 - 8 playersUTG+1 LilFishAtL: t22,468 MP Dubra1: t15,577 HJ WPT_Dream: t6,301 CO steemn: t10,724 Button Hero: t14,476 SB alunda2010: t118 BB ULTRAFIHS: t28,576 UTG BinkShow17: t16,325 Preflop: (t1,818) Hero is Button with (8 players)BinkShow17 raises to t2445, 4 folds, Hero raises to t14376 and is all-in, ULTRAFIHS folds, BinkShow17 calls t11931Flop: (t30,570) (3 players)Turn: (t30,570) (3 players)River: (t30,570) (3 players)Hero showed , and won (30570) with three of a kind, Jacksalunda2010 showed , and lost with two pair, Jacks and ThreesBinkShow17 showed , and lost with two pair, Queens and JacksHero won t30570 This here is just the light end of my range shove at ~12 BBs against UTG just hoping he was shoving lighter. I feel like this was standard, but UTG chastised me for this move.Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t800/t1600 ante t150 - 8 playersMP LilFishAtL: t19,268 HJ Dubra1: t12,900 CO WPT_Dream: t23,947 Button steemn: t29,883 SB Hero: t25,870 BB birdiebob: t30,757 UTG ULTRAFIHS: t31,764 UTG+1 trombanator9: t28,010 Preflop: (t3,600) Hero is SB with (8 players)5 folds, steemn raises to t9600, Hero raises to t25720 and is all-in, birdiebob folds, steemn calls t16120Flop: (t54,240) (2 players)Turn: (t54,240) (2 players)River: (t54,240) (2 players)steemn showed , and won (54240) with a pair of QueensHero showed , and lost with high card Acesteemn won t54240 The last hand this guy shoved KK and won, so I thought maybe he was making a steal attempt, and shoved. Too spewey or standard?? In the past I have had problems short stack, and tonight problems came up with properly playing deep stacked. IDK. I really am trying, but maybe not hard enough? I try to watch videos and stuff, but I really learn better hands on, but it is getting pretty frustrating. Just need to suck it up and think harder and make better decisions I guess.

[tbrick412 0]

Hand 1 your effective stack is whatever villains stack is if you have him covered. so since he has 12k here, effective stack is 12 BBs. This is a really standard jam and you shouldnt ever do otherwise. Hand 2 I like a fold there, his UTG range should be fairly tight given his 16bb stack. AJo just doesnt play well vs the hands he could be opening with there, I like AQs+ and 99+ but some other players could prob give you better ranges.Hand 3 looks pretty standard, tho it's a silly spot with his 6x open.

[TrueAce13 18]

I agree with the tbrickah

[Tehtoe 3]

Hand 1 your effective stack is whatever villains stack is if you have him covered. so since he has 12k here, effective stack is 12 BBs. This is a really standard jam and you shouldnt ever do otherwise. Hand 2 I like a fold there, his UTG range should be fairly tight given his 16bb stack. AJo just doesnt play well vs the hands he could be opening with there, I like AQs+ and 99+ but some other players could prob give you better ranges.Hand 3 looks pretty standard, tho it's a silly spot with his 6x open.

He's pretty much right, but in hand 1 you should be shoving even if you have 16 bbs effective. You should be shoving here 25 bbs effective...Hand 2 is bizarre to me. You're so reluctant to get AK in in a lot of spots it seems, but you rejam 14 bbs w/ AJ vs an UTG open where his range is more than likely crushing you. In a vacuum, everything points to this being not very good.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

He's pretty much right, but in hand 1 you should be shoving even if you have 16 bbs effective. You should be shoving here 25 bbs effective...Hand 2 is bizarre to me. You're so reluctant to get AK in in a lot of spots it seems, but you rejam 14 bbs w/ AJ vs an UTG open where his range is more than likely crushing you. In a vacuum, everything points to this being not very good.

I'm terrible in or out of a vacuum. Yeah, I see what you are saying. I do some dumb shit alot of times. IDK. I think I overthink at times that are simple, and underthink at times I should be overthinking. I am just ass-backwards. Time to take a break and re-evaluate some things.

[tbrick412 0]

I'm terrible in or out of a vacuum. Yeah, I see what you are saying. I do some dumb shit alot of times. IDK. I think I overthink at times that are simple, and underthink at times I should be overthinking. I am just ass-backwards. Time to take a break and re-evaluate some things.

try to have some confidence though. clearly you are trying to get better and I'm sure you'll see the results eventually

[CorvairShaggy 5]

try to have some confidence though. clearly you are trying to get better and I'm sure you'll see the results eventually

[ ] Confidence[x] Persistence[ ] Time Needed to play to get better/learn[x] Patience (questionable at times)

[rrumsey 0]

shove pre hand #1, someone really shouldnt be open folding that kinda stack ever, and if he does we know we can do this somewhat lighter to him in the future ( not much more but still it could be an important consideration)hand 2, its close. UTG means he could be tighter, but it really depends. but what i dont get is why we call the AK but shove the AJ in similar conditions. seems backwards son. Hand 3 is super standard. unless you have soul reads ( you probably wont ever) then we can assume this is a profitable spot to ship. granted his preflop sizing sucks, but in a $3 tourny its extremely hard if not impossible to fold AK preflop.Looks like you need to just practice witha push chart or something and be confident about knowing what to do in push fold spots. i can maybe send a HH of a turbo when stacks are short so you can see what you need to be trying to do. In these spots you do have to, this is the best way i can put it, "LET GO" and just be confident that the shove was correct, get it in with some FE, a correct kinda hand equity given your stack and what is in the pot, and then submit to variance. believe it or not this is often the kinda spots where you can easily exploit the crap out of weak players. most of the time they will either call incorrectly or push incorrectly or fold far too much in these kinda "pushbot" spots. you really need to let go and be aggressive here. if you can build a stack in this late stage, you gain a serious equity edge in the tourny. this greatly rewards being kinda laggy and just trying to run over the table late, with some reason. stick to a robotic style here against bad players and you will be shocked when they let you double or triple your stack without a showdown. or better when you start pushing and get them to spazz call with 109 suited just because they are fish. the punch line is good players put a sh*t ton of pressureon the weaker players here. thats what you need to look to do here. these are the short stacked spots we use our edge to the fullest. Now why does this work?It works because people in these things try and nit ladder up a place or two. we look to exploit that to increase the chance that we run deeper. because making a deep run is the key to being profitable. When people try to sit and wait for "the hand" we can keep taking away pots pre without resistance and add blinds and antes. its massively profitable to do this when stacks are short. we run into someone with a hand when we open shove our a10 off w 10BB, oh well. our hand value wasnt the overriding factor in that spot, it was the villains general nittiness and the risk reward of picking off big pots in relation to our stack size preflop. Its kinda wild when you first start it, but the more you keep yourself out of spots where you get blinded to death, the more you give yourself a chance to play poker.

[rrumsey 0]

try to have some confidence though. clearly you are trying to get better and I'm sure you'll see the results eventually

it happens man. the thing is that when we reduce our variance early game and increase our variance very late and short we from a gain theory point of view massively increase the likelihood we go deep. you cant let the results bother you. you need to just know, learn, and then trust to do what is longterm a profitable play. when it works out and the cards cooperate just enough, you will murder the table. Its hard to have confidence unless you have played enough to see the fruits of the labor and know you are correct in doing said pushes. but once you break thru, you will feel much better about doing things like this and be more aggro about punish the table, therefore increasing profitablity. good luck man. stick with it.

[rrumsey 0]

I'm terrible in or out of a vacuum. Yeah, I see what you are saying. I do some dumb shit alot of times. IDK. I think I overthink at times that are simple, and underthink at times I should be overthinking. I am just ass-backwards. Time to take a break and re-evaluate some things.

you may think this is backwards but i would say play more and realize your ROI with more volume. once you have seen spots hundreds of times you will be LOADS more confident about the spot in question. it will just become your autopilot reflex

[MaxStPolish 4]

He's pretty much right, but in hand 1 you should be shoving even if you have 16 bbs effective. You should be shoving here 25 bbs effective...Hand 2 is bizarre to me. You're so reluctant to get AK in in a lot of spots it seems, but you rejam 14 bbs w/ AJ vs an UTG open where his range is more than likely crushing you. In a vacuum, everything points to this being not very good.

This is some great postage, both the initial response and this follow up. And plz keep posting CS. I'm too lazy too most of the time, but this helps others as well!!

[CorvairShaggy 5]

This is some great postage, both the initial response and this follow up. And plz keep posting CS. I'm too lazy too most of the time, but this helps others as well!!

Glad my stupidity will help others!! :)I plan on posting more as long as people respond. I'm like a sponge. I'll take all the advice I can get!UPDATE: Before and after the Neg-O tonight I played just 2 tables at a time of $6.50 18-man Full Tilt. Out of the 5 I played tonight, came in 1st twice, 3rd once, and 2 DNFs. One DNF was second hand in AK suited>AQ off, and he hit Q on turn. Just bad luck there, but I feel like I really payed attention, and got lucky in a few spots, but overall felt really good about how I played tonight. We will see how the next few days go, but have a ton of side work this weekend, so no extended play for me Maybe I get time to catch a few Stars $3 rebuy next week.

[rrumsey 0]

Glad my stupidity will help others!! :)I plan on posting more as long as people respond. I'm like a sponge. I'll take all the advice I can get!

your not stupid bro. if you were stupid you wouldnt care about your play at all!

[CorvairShaggy 5]

your not stupid bro. if you were stupid you wouldnt care about your play at all!

I know that!! Just my sense of humor. I am hard on myself, but I believe you get more done that way. I'm actually a pretty laid back easy going guy.

[riverrat 0]

Tehtoe is so right about the hand with AJ. I see guys online go crazy with this hand so often and I can't figure it out. Personally I will make a note that a player is weak if I see him make those calls w/AJ. I treat AJ much like I would any other weak ace. If I am coming over the top w/AJ it is because I think the other player is trying to steal, not because I think I have a monster. A guy pushing from UTG with a healthy stack is an easy fold unless I have a read on him. Tehtoe and Trueace are the guys to really ask, but I think overplaying AJ and A10 is a big leak in one's game.