Wsop Tourney Ruling

[WhatArunAA 0]

The Dangers of Switching from Internet PokerWade Keniston showed a pair of K's at the end of the hand to win the pot. He then turned it over and threw the hand in the muck. His opponent protested that the hand was mucked before it won the pot because it technically never touched the table. The floor manager decided that the only fair way to resolve the issue was to split the pot between Wade, whose winning hand was mucked and Wade's opponent who technically had the only live hand left in play. Wade's only comment on splitting a pot with the best hand was that he didn't know the technicalities because "I play on the internet." in my opinion this is a horrrible ruling.. he mucked his hand and if it were a cash game he wouldnt get any of the pot.. none the less half of it.. opinions?

[Vatche 0]

had the other player mucked 1st, if so, he should have the whole pot...if not, then the opponent should have the whole pot...whatever happened, this split pot ruling is horrible.

[keith crime 8]

I'd give him the whole pot unless its commen tournament against He showed his hand to the table - the other guy was being a jerk in my opinion Personally i think that rulings should preserve the actual outcome of the handif the dealer and his opponent obviously saw his hand i think he should get the pot

[Scott3705 0]

that's really suprising. i can't believe the floor would try to be "fair" and give the guy half the pot.

[mx957 0]

Seems like a pretty Weak-tight ruling to me. I don't think the donk that had second best hand made to many friends on that hand. I know I'd be wanting to take him out for that little stunt.Karma is a biotch....it'll come back to bite both of these guys.

[rogerwilco 0]

opinions?

Seems like a very weak decision to me. If the rules say, the hand should be declared dead, then Wade Keniston shouldn't get any of the pot, if the floorman wants to give him a break he should give him the whole pot and stand by his decision.Splitting the pot is lukewarm

[Suited_Up 2]

I'd give him the whole pot unless its commen tournament against He showed his hand to the table - the other guy was being a jerk in my opinion Personally i think that rulings should preserve the actual outcome of the handif the dealer and his opponent obviously saw his hand i think he should get the pot

I think so too.

[checkymcfold 0]

that sounds goofy to me. i've never heard of a ruling being two different hands splitting the pot, unless it was a weird situation like them both mucking their hands at the same time or something like that.

[Jrobb25 0]

Something similar happened to me at WSOP ME last year...I just turned up one card and threw the other in the muck(now I know better but it was a long day.) But, they brought the floor over and he asked the lady involved in the hand and she said she had nothing I should win the pot. And he gave it to me. The floor in this recent case has to make that cause of the rule...but whos the ******* who called him over. That to me is evn worse.

[dapokerbum 0]

WTF ever happened to cards speak. It's obvious to everyone that he had the best hand. who cares if he didn't "put them on the table" what a stupid technicality.

[mrdannyg 274]

Seems like a pretty Weak-tight ruling to me. I don't think the donk that had second best hand made to many friends on that hand. I know I'd be wanting to take him out for that little stunt.Karma is a biotch....it'll come back to bite both of these guys.

best answer so far. not the right one necessarily, but by far the best.

[channjalen2003 0]

I agree, the guy mucked his hand and should not have been given any part of the pot, but only a weasel would try to call someone on it. The better person would have instructed him of the rule and warned him about doing it again

[psujohn 0]

WTF ever happened to cards speak. It's obvious to everyone that he had the best hand. who cares if he didn't "put them on the table" what a stupid technicality.

Cards speak when they're placed face up on the table. Showing the cards and throwing them in the muck is folding. The guy who had KK shouldn't have gotten any of the pot. They guy who called over the floor should be met in the parking lot with a few baseball bats. Sometimes the rules dictate answers that aren't "fair". In times like this the decent human thing to do is point out the guy's mistake and let him take the pot. There are times when enforcing the letter of the law makes you a jackass.

[keith crime 8]

I screwed up at Trumps once with top pair bad kicker I showed my Q and then mucked and then sadly realized that the kicker didn't play and i deserved a split - i got nothing and am more careful now

[Mercury69 3]

Lesson? DON'T MUCK YOUR DAMN CARDS UNTILL THE POT HAS BEEN DECLARED WON! ****ing doofii (that's the plural of doofus, a Latin word).

[keith crime 8]

Lesson? DON'T MUCK YOUR DAMN CARDS UNTILL THE POT HAS BEEN DECLARED WON! ****ing doofii (that's the plural of doofus, a Latin word).

obviously but all these guys are dead money and paying 10K you'd think the event would do their best to help the people playing their first tourney

[Balloon guy 158]

internet poker players are donkeysjust keep the chair covers away from them

[psujohn 0]

It's an interesting situation because only recently have you seen so many people playing their first (or one of their first) live events at the WSOP. In the days before internet poker most people would have had lots of live experience before playing the WSOP or any major tourny. Even home game experience isn't the same because typical home games don't enforce the rules as strictly as casinos do.

[channjalen2003 0]

Exactly right, while some people have casinos to go to to play live, many do not. They need to be taught the rules, but this was a move by a weasel.

[mx957 0]

obviously but all these guys are dead money and paying 10K you'd think the event would do their best to help the people playing their first tourney

It's not a 10k event....but still $1,500 Limit Hold'em is a big dollar amount to me.

[socalpoker_j 1]

It's basic poker knowledge, and a poor decision on the part of the floorman as stated numerous times above.. Someone get that guy "Live Poker for Dummies"

[gkunit20 1]

If he said "I Call" and showed his hand, he should win the whole pot. If he just showed it without saying "I Call", it would be a dead hand, and the other guy wins.Eitherway, the split pot is terrible.

[dapokerbum 0]

It's basic poker knowledge, and a poor decision on the part of the floorman as stated numerous times above.. Someone get that guy "Live Poker for Dummies"

Actually no it's not basic poker knowledge...it is basic LIVE poker knowledge. I think the floor did the right thing because he prolly knew the guy was trying to force the issue on the internet player and realized that it was just a technicality so he did what he thought was best.

[blakheart 3]

WTF ever happened to cards speak. It's obvious to everyone that he had the best hand. who cares if he didn't "put them on the table" what a stupid technicality.

I agree cards speak. He showed his cards to the table. His pot. Only issue is if he only showed one card, but that is not how the story is told.

[blacktie31 0]

Actually no it's not basic poker knowledge...it is basic LIVE poker knowledge. I think the floor did the right thing because he prolly knew the guy was trying to force the issue on the internet player and realized that it was just a technicality so he did what he thought was best.

But it's a live poker tourney.If he didn't declair it a call and tossed his cards face down into the muck, he mucked em. lesson learned.I think with field sizes as big as they are getting they really need to stay pretty strict on that type of thing.If i'm the other player and it's early in the tourney I wouldn't make a big fuss but warn him.If it's the final table and a bracelet and a hugh chunk of cash is on the line, tough luck, learn to play live before coming out.If I'm the floorman he mucked his cards and gave up the hand.

I agree cards speak. He showed his cards to the table. His pot. Only issue is if he only showed one card, but that is not how the story is told.

showing your hand and mucking is not the same as calling.People do that all the time to show what a big laydown they made, etc.