Am I Wrong Here?

[logic411 0]

$1/2 No Limit Live Cash Game. I limp with AKos. 5 people in the pot total. Flop A58 rainbow. I bet $10 , next to act raises to $25 total. Other 3 players fold. The raiser is a pretty bad player, easy to read, and I have a tight table image. I fold, showing my AK face up. Raiser shows 58, just as I thought he had. Dealer runs it out for sh*ts and giggles and a K peeled off on the turn. Before the hand was run out, a few players stated I definately should have called, even though I knew he had 2 pair. Was I wrong to fold? I vehemently disagreed. Thanks.

[Socrates 0]

You put him on 58? I find that hard to believe. I'm probably not laying AK down there though, but then again, having no idea where you are in the hand lends itself to these types of problems. What exactly were you hoping to flop when limping with AK - two pair or better in order to continue?Also - you may think you have a tight table image, I;m guessing most of the players just see you as another low limit NL player. They aren't really concerned with keeping track of images, especially bad players.

[Waffles2003 1]

move this to the strats section, thanks

[logic411 0]

You put him on 58? I find that hard to believe. I'm probably not laying AK down there though, but then again, having no idea where you are in the hand lends itself to these types of problems. What exactly were you hoping to flop when limping with AK - two pair or better in order to continue?Also - you may think you have a tight table image, I;m guessing most of the players just see you as another low limit NL player. They aren't really concerned with keeping track of images, especially bad players.

As I said in the post, YES I put him on 58. Secondly, the question is, Were they right to say I should have called w/ TPTK, even though I KNEW he had 2 pair?

[dms26 3]

If you put him on 2 pair then no it's not a bad laydown. But limping with AK is bad, very bad.

[logic411 0]

move this to the strats section, thanks

Moved to Strat as requested.

[PiercE^Bodog 0]

bad playing.

[outsider13 0]

A. Why no pf raise?B. Why show that? You gave away a lot of information there. People will just run you over after seeing that.I would have been more worried about a set there. A pf raise would have narrowed the field, but also increase the pot size for when you do win.

[mtdesmoines 3]

$1/2 No Limit Live Cash Game. I limp with AKos. 5 people in the pot total. Flop A58 rainbow. I bet $10 , next to act raises to $25 total. Other 3 players fold. The raiser is a pretty bad player, easy to read, and I have a tight table image. I fold, showing my AK face up. Raiser shows 58, just as I thought he had. Dealer runs it out for sh*ts and giggles and a K peeled off on the turn. Before the hand was run out, a few players stated I definately should have called, even though I knew he had 2 pair. Was I wrong to fold? I vehemently disagreed. Thanks.

I call the $25. No question.

[reyho 0]

As I said in the post, YES I put him on 58. Secondly, the question is, Where they right to say I should have called w/ TPTK, even though I KNEW he had 2 pair?

Hmm, pretty funny here. You claim to have incredible reading skills but yet you don't know the simple math of what your odds would be in this situation? Serious answer, I call here - lots of dead money on the table and I play the turn cautiously. But honestly, brag post?

[logic411 0]

A. Why no pf raise?B. Why show that? You gave away a lot of information there. People will just run you over after seeing that.I would have been more worried about a set there. A pf raise would have narrowed the field, but also increase the pot size for when you do win.

A. I didn't raise PF just to mix it up I guess. AK just hasn't been very good me when raising in cash games. I seem to miss all the time so I just call at times.B. I showed b/c I've been improving my reads alot lately and I wanted to entice him to show, which it did. I guess I just wanted to validate my read and not feel like an absolute pu$$y for folding, even with my read.

[eYank 0]

A. I didn't raise PF just to mix it up I guess. AK just hasn't been very good me when raising in cash games. I seem to miss all the time so I just call at times.B. I showed b/c I've been improving my reads alot lately and I wanted to entice him to show, which it did. I guess I just wanted to validate my read and not feel like an absolute pu$$y for folding, even with my read.

since when do they rabbit hunt in a casino?and yeah i dont see how you can put a guy on 58 but w/e

[iveyfan30 0]

A. I didn't raise PF just to mix it up I guess. AK just hasn't been very good me when raising in cash games. I seem to miss all the time so I just call at times.B. I showed b/c I've been improving my reads alot lately and I wanted to entice him to show, which it did. I guess I just wanted to validate my read and not feel like an absolute pu$$y for folding, even with my read.

wow..just wow

[TheBoobster 0]

I can't believe you laid it down, but it was the right play because of your read. I think that most people including myself would have called. Even with the raise I would have put him on an A with a lower kicker. But you also have to think about the possibilities. Why would someone put in such a big raise?? Maybe they were playing pocket 5's or 8's. Maybe A-5 or A-8. I think that it could be the right move to fold to such a big raise sometimes. As with anything else IT DEPENDS.You seem to be a very tight player, but based on your read, it was a good laydown IMO.

[Byan_Railey 0]

A. I didn't raise PF just to mix it up I guess. AK just hasn't been very good me when raising in cash games. I seem to miss all the time so I just call at times.B. I showed b/c I've been improving my reads alot lately and I wanted to entice him to show, which it did. I guess I just wanted to validate my read and not feel like an absolute pu$$y for folding, even with my read.

AK hasnt been good to you ? Is the value of AK different for you than everyone else ? It turns out that cards dont have a memory...but thats another topic.A. Already been said but you raise pre-flop and you dont have this problem.B. There is no way you can 100% put him on 2 pair. He raised 2.5X, there is zero chance he is making this play with AQ or 67? Its not like some huge over-bet. I just find that hard to belive. You may have a good feeling he has two pair but I think you have to see the turn and see if he is going to fire out again. It sounds like your call would have closed the betting....easy call.C. MUCK YOUR CARDS. You would be on my radar screen big time after seeing that fold (even if it was the correct play).

[logic411 0]

since when do they rabbit hunt in a casino?and yeah i dont see how you can put a guy on 58 but w/e

Home game, never said it was a casino.

[logic411 0]

AK hasnt been good to you ? Is the value of AK different for you than everyone else ? It turns out that cards dont have a memory...but thats another topic.

I haven't had much luck with it in live cash games. I know the cards remain true, however, I for one am not too crazy about AK. So at times I just limp Pf with it. I'm not complaining about losing the pot. Lots of pots will be lost while playing poker. Part of the game.

[SpiderGuard 0]

since when do they rabbit hunt in a casino?and yeah i dont see how you can put a guy on 58 but w/e

I know he said he put him on 5/8, but the reality is that he probably put him on a generic better hand. (55, 88, A8...).

[Mrjones_76 0]

You raise with a-k so you dont have to hit your hand. You put the pressure on them to hit theirs. If you both miss you will win most of the time.

[mtdesmoines 3]

You raise with a-k so you dont have to hit your hand. You put the pressure on them to hit theirs. If you both miss you will win most of the time.

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait just a minute.You start talking like that, and you'll ruin the damned game.

[navybuttons 15]

You raise with a-k so you dont have to hit your hand. You put the pressure on them to hit theirs. If you both miss you will win most of the time.

and to get 58 to fold.do you see why?goodluck.

[socalpoker_j 1]

$15 more to call... butttt you put him on 5-8. hm.

[logic411 0]

and to get 58 to fold.do you see why?goodluck.

Of course I see why. As I said, most times I raise, however this time I chose to limp. Just switching it up a bit. I get the point though.

[akoff 0]

Playing Sat night at the Trop in AC. 2/5 500 max game. Table was fairly tight fairly passive. I had been playing pretty ABC poker and one fish bluff off about 700 bucks into my flopped aces up about 45 minutes before. I had made a couple large continuation bets in the 2 hours only to be re-raised and have to muck. Lost a few smallish pots to where I am.On button I have 5/9 D 4 limpers to me. I raise to 40 with 1400.00 behind me. 2 callers. The limpers were odd but whatever.Flop comes A, 5, p two clubsChecks to me I bet 100.00 at a 160.00 pot, fold, 2nd caller re-raise to 300.00.I move all-in for 1300.00 more. I have him covered by a fair amount. He goes in the tank and calls his last 600 and change with AK no clubs…now what did he figure he could beat? Lucky enough for me it went brick, brick and I scope a huge pot…ship it to the monster 5/9.Granted I was on stone bluff pre-flop but I needed to stay active to make that game profitable, I then stumbled into a hand! He of course feels the need to berate me for playing like a Donk, LOL kinda of true at times but not this night. I was on top of my game. The only thing that came to mind to respond with was “it was suited”….i had a guy across from the table almost pee himself he was laughing so hard!I ended up getting some action for a while after that hit a flop or two when needed and ended up the night plus 2,800.00.Brag post maybe but bottom line is you only lost a little with your AK fold, you have lost a monster.

[Byan_Railey 0]

I haven't had much luck with it in live cash games. I know the cards remain true, however, I for one am not too crazy about AK. So at times I just limp Pf with it. I'm not complaining about losing the pot. Lots of pots will be lost while playing poker. Part of the game.

I hear people talk like this all the time. Another hand people "dont like" is JJ. AK and JJ are both in the top five hands you can be dealt in Holdem. You cant play these hands weak just because you dont ever seem to hit with them. You dont get premium hands often and when you do the idea is to maximize their potential. I have played with another player who always just pushes all in pre-flop with JJ because he doesnt like playing them post flop. This is just a horrible way to play such a premium hand. Limping with AK is equaly as bad a play.Dont limp because you find them hard to play, work on playing them better.