Fbi Trying To Seize Individual Usa Players Neteller Funds?

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I've been reading different forms of this rumour for the past couple days, is there any truth to it?"According to wire reports, the FBI has seized the funds from tens of thousands of individual customer accounts from Neteller, a money transfer system popular among online gamblers."

[DonkSlayer 1]

soooouuurrrccee?

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"US Government Seizes Customer Funds Now that we have waded through the excuses issued by NETeller, it has been announced that the US Justice Department has seized funds from the third party payment processor nearly three weeks after the arrests of the company's founders. Only US customers appear to be impacted though Gambling911.com has cautioned anyone living outside the United States to tread carefully in regard to NETeller. Nearly 80% of its customer base was located within the US.USA Today quoted FBI agent Neil Donovan saying "funds from Neteller are being held in court as potential evidence. Some customers may get their money back."To further compound the problem, NETeller has stopped peer-to-peer transfers. US customers were being solicited by those in other countries as a means of getting money out. While friends and family members were helpful in this regard, unscrupulous individuals were most certainly waiting in the wings offering to assist. Gambling911.com, however, has not been made aware of any scams related to the NETeller peer-to-peer transfer option to date.For a brief time up until last week, NETeller had been allowing US customers to withdraw money using a NETeller issued ATM card. By the time these cards arrived in the mail, few of the ATM cards worked."One of the ATM companies were allowing people to use the cards, another wasn't," a source told Gambling911.Gambling911.com first broke the news that two NETeller co-founders were arrested in the US last month. John Lefebvre and Steve Lawrence, both of Canada, were taken into custody. Both are out on a $5 million bond and must remain within a specified jurisdiction until their trial. The two men have pleaded "Not Guilty" to various charges including money laundering. ----Christopher Costigan, Gambling911.com Originally published February 5, 2007 1:04 pm ET"http://www.gambling911.com/US-Government-S...nds-020507.html

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20070202/...ownfreezesfundsSAN FRANCISCO - The federal crackdown on online gambling has tied up the funds of thousands of U.S. patrons of two of the largest services. The crackdown on BetOnSports, which no longer takes sports wagers from the USA, and Neteller - an Internet payment service popular among gamblers - is intended to put a dent in the $10.6 billion industry.And it has: Following federal charges against executives from both companies, dozens of the more than 2,300 websites that service online gambling have stopped taking U.S. wagers.Still, the actions against BetOnSports and Neteller have left the online accounts of their U.S. customers frozen until legal issues are resolved."The truth is that the money is in limbo and the companies are not required to refund any money until a successful prosecution or settlement takes place," says Michael Tew, principal of gaming consultant CapitalHQ. "This could take years." Funds from other gambling sites are not tied up, Tew and others say.Most U.S. customers of BetOnSports have been waiting to cash out money in their accounts since July, when a federal grand jury issued a 22-count indictment charging CEO David Carruthers with racketeering, conspiracy and fraud. BetOnSports handled $1.77 billion in bets during its 2005 fiscal year, with more than 90% of wagers from the USA. An attorney representing the company declined to comment.Neteller founders Stephen Lawrence and John Lefebvre were arrested in January on a charge of conspiracy to transfer funds with the intent to promote illegal gambling.Though money-transfer companies such as Neteller do business with financial institutions and merchants, many also allow gambling companies to transfer money collected from U.S. gamblers to bank accounts outside the USA. Neteller last month closed its U.S. Internet gambling services, erasing about two-thirds of its business.Neteller offers few instructions for customers trying to cash out their accounts. "We are working to resolve all withdrawal issues, but in the meantime we continue to maintain these funds in trust on your behalf," says a posting on the company's website.Neteller declined to comment. The company processed more than $7 billion in online gambling transactions in its 2005 fiscal year. FBI Agent Neil Donovan says funds from Neteller are being held in court as potential evidence. Some customers may get their money back, but he did not provide a timetable.A law signed by President Bush in October bans the use of credit cards, checks and electronic fund transfers for Internet gaming. U.S. residents place more than half of all bets to major offshore casinos.BetOnSports has settled civil charges with the Justice Department, but not criminal charges. Carruthers' case is separate.

[ChrisRichey 1]

Holy ****, the sky really is falling. GG us.

[Jelly-Filled Ace 1]

This shit is really starting to get under my skin. Yet another gut-punch to the citizen of the United States of America. The 270 day deal is turning out to be one big fucking joke. I thought the whole purpose was to let everyone ease out of this ?? not put the fear of God in them.End Rant.I'm still pissed tho.

[DonkSlayer 1]

GG my $300.

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This shit is really starting to get under my skin. Yet another gut-punch to the citizen of the United States of America. The 270 day deal is turning out to be one big fucking joke. I thought the whole purpose was to let everyone ease out of this ?? not put the fear of God in them.End Rant.I'm still pissed tho.

Gimme a freaking break. I am so tired of people striking the "Citizens of the United States of America" pose over this legislation. Did you actually bother to vote? Folks - there is no Constutional Right to On-line Wagering!!! People keep getting their panties in a bunch as if they have been swept off the steet and tossed into a secret concentration camp.

[Jordan 1]

Great. I had 2.2k stuck in EFT transfer from the 18th, and now that is gone?Blah. Freaking sick. I just sent neteller an email, but this is nuts.edit, you know how when you have a pending withdrawl, you can click "pending" to have it cancelled...well I just noticed that it still says "pending" but I can't click it to cancel the transaction even if I wanted to. lol. except, not funny.- Jordan

[ChrisRichey 1]

Gimme a freaking break. I am so tired of people striking the "Citizens of the United States of America" pose over this legislation. Did you actually bother to vote? Folks - there is no Constutional Right to On-line Wagering!!! People keep getting their panties in a bunch as if they have been swept off the steet and tossed into a secret concentration camp.

You can't be serious. You must have forgot the (sw) at the bottom of your post.

[GrinderMJ 0]

Gimme a freaking break. I am so tired of people striking the "Citizens of the United States of America" pose over this legislation. Did you actually bother to vote? Folks - there is no Constutional Right to On-line Wagering!!! People keep getting their panties in a bunch as if they have been swept off the steet and tossed into a secret concentration camp.

You can't be serious? People aren't allowed to be upset when their rights are infringed upon?

[DonkSlayer 1]

Great. I had 2.2k stuck in EFT transfer from the 18th, and now that is gone?Blah. Freaking sick. I just sent neteller an email, but this is nuts.edit, you know how when you have a pending withdrawl, you can click "pending" to have it cancelled...well I just noticed that it still says "pending" but I can't click it to cancel the transaction even if I wanted to. lol. except, not funny.- Jordan

Jordan, I called them about this once...they offered to cancel one, but said the other one was already too far along processed. Neither have cleared. Apparently at this point it wouldn't matter if it was canceled or not, unless you used the money buy something legitimate online. I have epassporte now but I'm never keeping funds on that for more than 12 hours.

[DonkSlayer 1]

You can't be serious. You must have forgot the (sw) at the bottom of your post.

Yeah, this is personal now because my $300 is stuck. I'll just deduct that from my income tax and pay them back once I get the money from Neteller. Di.cks.

[ChrisRichey 1]

I like how they claim they passed the bill to protect Americans from getting scammed, because this is soooooo much better.

[navybuttons 15]

Gimme a freaking break. I am so tired of people striking the "Citizens of the United States of America" pose over this legislation. Did you actually bother to vote? Folks - there is no Constutional Right to On-line Wagering!!! People keep getting their panties in a bunch as if they have been swept off the steet and tossed into a secret concentration camp.

BAN the troll!

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You can't be serious? People aren't allowed to be upset when their rights are infringed upon?

I must have missed the part of the story where the Supreme Court of The United States of America declared this law as Unconstitutional.

[hblask 1]

Gimme a freaking break. I am so tired of people striking the "Citizens of the United States of America" pose over this legislation. Did you actually bother to vote? Folks - there is no Constutional Right to On-line Wagering!!! People keep getting their panties in a bunch as if they have been swept off the steet and tossed into a secret concentration camp.

If more people understood the concept of "constitutional right", this type of thing wouldn't happen and we wouldn't get responses like this.The constitution is NOT an ennumerated list of CITIZEN's rights. It is an ennumerated list of the GOVERNMENT's rights. In other words, if it is not explicitly listed in the constitution, they are not supposed to be doing it. Can you imagine the other way? "I'm sorry, it is not in the consitution that you may wear white socks on a Tuesday, therefore you get 20 years in prison." It's a ridiculous interpretation of the document.The 9th and 10th Amendment make it quite clear how to interpret the Constitution:

Amendment IXThe enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.Amendment XThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

If you know the history of the founders, why they came here, and why they broke from England, it is clear they never would have stood for the insane meddling in private matters that people now claim you have "no constitutional right" to. Humans have rights by virtue of being free, adult humans. Rights are not the government's to give and take away. Our first and biggest right is the right to be left alone to engage in voluntary consensual transactions between adults. Just because we've accepted such infringements in the past does not make those infringements constitutional. They are cause for alarm and another bit of damage to the philosophy that made this country great. The notion that the government has the right to tell us what we may or may not do in the privacy of our homes is appalling.

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BAN the guy who actually has a different opinion about the On-line Gambling Legislation!

FYP

[Jordan 1]

I wish I never started a blog that talks about online gambling. The FBI probably is going through people's blogs now too.lol- Jordan

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If more people understood the concept of "constitutional right", this type of thing wouldn't happen and we wouldn't get responses like this.The constitution is NOT an ennumerated list of CITIZEN's rights. It is an ennumerated list of the GOVERNMENT's rights. In other words, if it is not explicitly listed in the constitution, they are not supposed to be doing it. Can you imagine the other way? "I'm sorry, it is not in the consitution that you may wear white socks on a Tuesday, therefore you get 20 years in prison." It's a ridiculous interpretation of the document.The 9th and 10th Amendment make it quite clear how to interpret the Constitution:If you know the history of the founders, why they came here, and why they broke from England, it is clear they never would have stood for the insane meddling in private matters that people now claim you have "no constitutional right" to. Humans have rights by virtue of being free, adult humans. Rights are not the government's to give and take away. Our first and biggest right is the right to be left alone to engage in voluntary consensual transactions between adults. Just because we've accepted such infringements in the past does not make those infringements constitutional. They are cause for alarm and another bit of damage to the philosophy that made this country great. The notion that the government has the right to tell us what we may or may not do in the privacy of our homes is appalling.

QFMFT!!!!!!!!!!!

[BudBundy 0]

Can you guys make peer to peer transfer?

[DonkSlayer 1]

I must have missed the part of the story where the Supreme Court of The United States of America declared this law as Unconstitutional.

It also violates international trade laws. If I go to Amsterdam and smoke weed in a cafe, the US can't arrest the owners of that cafe for providing me weed. Or can they? If they can't, there's no difference if I'm giving my money to people outside the US to play a game on non-US servers.

[BudBundy 0]

It also violates international trade laws. If I go to Amsterdam and smoke weed in a cafe, the US can't arrest the owners of that cafe for providing me weed. Or can they? If they can't, there's no difference if I'm giving my money to people outside the US to play a game on non-US servers.

They can't. It's against universal law fundamentals. Not that American goverment cares but still you know what i mean.Even if you kill someone in Holland and go back to USA , American Courts can't blame or punish you for murder. Because it happened in Holland. That's Dutch Court's job.

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If more people understood the concept of "constitutional right", this type of thing wouldn't happen and we wouldn't get responses like this.The constitution is NOT an ennumerated list of CITIZEN's rights. It is an ennumerated list of the GOVERNMENT's rights. In other words, if it is not explicitly listed in the constitution, they are not supposed to be doing it. Can you imagine the other way? "I'm sorry, it is not in the consitution that you may wear white socks on a Tuesday, therefore you get 20 years in prison." It's a ridiculous interpretation of the document.The 9th and 10th Amendment make it quite clear how to interpret the Constitution:If you know the history of the founders, why they came here, and why they broke from England, it is clear they never would have stood for the insane meddling in private matters that people now claim you have "no constitutional right" to. Humans have rights by virtue of being free, adult humans. Rights are not the government's to give and take away. Our first and biggest right is the right to be left alone to engage in voluntary consensual transactions between adults. Just because we've accepted such infringements in the past does not make those infringements constitutional. They are cause for alarm and another bit of damage to the philosophy that made this country great. The notion that the government has the right to tell us what we may or may not do in the privacy of our homes is appalling.

Finally an intelligent and well thought post.I agree with you that the Constitution was never intended to be a list of Rights. However neither is it an explicit listing of our Government's to be somehow limited to only the areas that existd when the document was written. Too many Liberterians want to interpret the Constitution as some sort of limited literal document that cannot adapt and be applied to our changing world. By the Government legislating On-Line gambling, they are NOT taking some "Right" away from us. The Internet did not exist in the 1700s, that doesn't mean that the Government doesn't have a right/responsibiity to regulate the commerce taking place on it.

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FYP

this is exactly what you always do, state an opinion that you don't actually believe for the purpose of pissing people off. then we get into meaningless arguments with you and hi-jack threads.it's like you're so attention starved you like it when people take you seriously, and when they hate you at least they know you exist.BAN