Still Having Troulbe Playing Against Supper Laggards (long)

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

OK. I guess this could go in General Strategy since it isn't about specific hands.I have been experimenting introducing different styles into my game as needed. It took some time to get used to more Laggy styles, but I am finally getting comfortable with the swings that come with a more LAG game.Last night I was having a very good (for me) night at one of the local casinos. I was starting to run the table. There was one stack that was making me drool - a woman who was a COMPLETE Calling Station had hit a hot streak of catching her Flushes and Straights or seeing her lonely Ax take the pot. She had built a stack that was destined to disappear and I planned on being the primary beneficiary of that little insurance policy - if I could manage to tolerate her habit of slow rolling EVERY STINKING hand.My plan was starting to work very well when a new guy sat at the table two seats to my left. I had played with him before, but he didn't recognize me. He is a very good player - very aggressive and can quickly take control of a table. Early on, he lost several big pots, including one to the Calling Station at the end of the table and two to me where I had pocket Ks each time.He stated that his intention was to bust me, but to do so in a humiliating manner, he wanted to suck out, preferably on the River with rags against another one of my Monster Hands. He had only seen me play Monsters so far, so pegged me as a Rock. I shook off his challenge (even though it was clearly meant to be rude) and said: "Absolutely, suck out on the River against me, just as long as you jump up and do a little dance in my face and shout out 'PASS THE SUGAR' or something equally clever."From that point on whenever I was in a hand - he used his position on me to raise $20 - $30 preflop (We were playing $1/$2 NL TxHE) - He'd look at me and say: "Just for you buddy" as he raised. I tried not to let it bother me, but playing against Super LAGgards does knock me out of my comfort zone. I was tired from a long session and could probably have made a better adjustment if I'd been fresh. My basic reaction is to recognize that he has opened up his game and is playing rags against me looking to hit a big Flop to out-play me then. Most times if I'd come in for a Limp out of position with a marginal hand and he pumped the pot like this, I just let my $2 go. If I actually had a very good hand I came back over the top on him and take his $ preflop. A $30 hand is fine for me. Since I was tired and way ahead, I decided I didn't need to play with this guy. So after a few hands where I scooped his $ and never gave him the opportunity to isolate me, I gathered up my chips and left for the evening. As he watched me rack nearly $900 of chips he said: "So I guess you bought in 4 or 5 times and just finally got even, so now you're leaving?"I just smiled and said: "Yeah, something like that"What advice do you have for playing a strong LAG player like this guy who has position and wants to force a confrontation?

[trystero 0]

What you did seems fine. If he's playing position against you so aggressively then you need to enter the pot with the percentages on your side. That's all he doing, applying pressure on every street to induce folds or, if really lucky, to get calls after flopping monsters. So you'll have to play hands that can withstand a lot of pressure so you don't get run over. Otherwise just get up and play elsewhere.One other point: Why do you capitalize random nouns?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Why do you capitalize random nouns?

Ummm, dunno......just Poetic License I guess.That's how I roll.

[tskillz187 0]

There's nothing wrong with getting up. If he's super aggro donk I'd probably reraise a little lighter with AJ-ish type hands and I'd limp call with monsters and let him do the betting. Overall I'd be much happier playing a passive player obv though.

[Royal_Tour 0]

wow! LOL. umm. its scary because i had this exact situation sunday morning.a guy just sat down after being on the floor all night gambling, and came into the poker room.i just doubled up to 350 at 1/2NL and he starts chirping me. So we exchange a few comments.eventually he loses a big hand and gets stacked, rebuys and says something like "you guys are so tight, lets play some real poker, none of this WPT shiit"So basically, i realized he was a complete tool. he kept raising 30 or 35 preflop, OOP or in position, it didnt matter, it was every 2nd hand.But he was folding if ther was a raise before him. Which to me meant he was acting like 1/2NL was chump change but yet he didnt want to just randomly gamble.long story short, i finally picked up AK, and took a nice pot off him. He told me i was soo predictable that he knew i had AK, and i'd never make it in the big game. I sit and wait for a big hand etc etc... I didnt even respond. someone that stupid didnt deserve advice.This was a turning point for me, because usually I let my ego get in the way and start pushing back with any two. but i racked up and didnt think twice about it until now.

[Fourputt 0]

I think getting up and walking away was the right choice. The guy is a donk and a loser, but if he gets on a lucky streak, he can do a lot of damage before the odds finally catch up with him. Let someone else pay off his streak. Maybe the next time you catch him, you'll have the position to do something about it.

[NoBBiR 0]

Play position and really strong hands against lagtards. Against lagtard retards position is awesome. I also stack off much, much lighter against these people also.

[Zach6668 513]

I didn't read it (yet), but I won't call you retarded (yet).

[throwemaway 0]

It really makes it tough so he has in position on you..I think I would have gotten up too

[Acid_Knight 2]

Most obvious solution: First seat change button2nd most obvious: Call down/stack off more lightly.3rd most obvious: Get up and go home

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

wow! LOL. umm. its scary because i had this exact situation sunday morning.a guy just sat down after being on the floor all night gambling, and came into the poker room.i just doubled up to 350 at 1/2NL and he starts chirping me. So we exchange a few comments.eventually he loses a big hand and gets stacked, rebuys and says something like "you guys are so tight, lets play some real poker, none of this WPT shiit"So basically, i realized he was a complete tool. he kept raising 30 or 35 preflop, OOP or in position, it didnt matter, it was every 2nd hand.But he was folding if ther was a raise before him. Which to me meant he was acting like 1/2NL was chump change but yet he didnt want to just randomly gamble.long story short, i finally picked up AK, and took a nice pot off him. He told me i was soo predictable that he knew i had AK, and i'd never make it in the big game. I sit and wait for a big hand etc etc... I didnt even respond. someone that stupid didnt deserve advice.This was a turning point for me, because usually I let my ego get in the way and start pushing back with any two. but i racked up and didnt think twice about it until now.

Wow indeed.This could almost be the same guy. Even more interesting is your reaction and how similar it was to mine. I too at one point would have taken the bait, but no longer feel the need. Best part was his annoynance when I picked up my ball and went home.Also interested to see that I'm not alone in my decision to just move on.With so much Strategy talk, not many people talk about when it is time to leave a table.You hear about "table selection" and "finding a table you can beat" but most of that discussion is focused on finding Fish, not in leaving a table or the competition against which you'd rather leave than play against.I'm gonna start a new topic on this.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

I think getting up was best. If you could have changed seats and taken position on him that might have been good too.