offset 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 low buy in mtt online so the players are very loose. 9k in chips blinds 400/800. Pick up 88 utg. What should i do? Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Is this supposed to be a difficult one? At a loose table, this is an easy limp. Set it, or forget it... OK, if it's 5-6-7 rainbow, I guess you're still in very good shape.Only question is, do we call a raise behind us once we've limped??? Link to post Share on other sites
wannabe 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 low buy in mtt online so the players are very loose. 9k in chips blinds 400/800. Pick up 88 utg. What should i do?Make it 1600... if raised, fold.. check out the flop, and play accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites
AJAMBONE 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 low buy in mtt online so the players are very loose. 9k in chips blinds 400/800. Pick up 88 utg. What should i do?Make it 1600... if raised, fold.. check out the flop, and play accordingly.1600 UTG at a L/A table??? That would be disastrous IMO. To do so would leave you with 7,400 and the blinds up next. I like the L/F to a raise line. At a loose table it would be -EV to fold this, but to raise here is also a -EV situation. Calling pre and attempting to see a cheap flop is the only +EV situation at this table. Link to post Share on other sites
wannabe 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 low buy in mtt online so the players are very loose. 9k in chips blinds 400/800. Pick up 88 utg. What should i do?Make it 1600... if raised, fold.. check out the flop, and play accordingly.1600 UTG at a L/A table??? That would be disastrous IMO. To do so would leave you with 7,400 and the blinds up next. I like the L/F to a raise line. At a loose table it would be -EV to fold this, but to raise here is also a -EV situation. Calling pre and attempting to see a cheap flop is the only +EV situation at this table.Coming from the guy who is probably not gonna make it... anyone, anyone? A very small raise from EP should raise a red flag to everyone behind him. The only way he is getting raised here is against a premo hand. This almost guarantees he gets to see the flop without putting too many more chips in the pot... also gives him a chance to pick it up right there, also gives him the lead in the hand... Limping is weak Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Limping is weakI'm w/ Ajambone on this one. At a tight table, yeah... you are correct. But this is a super loose table... If it's Loose aggressive, I'd rather limp, let one of them raise my limp to 1600, and then call (calling only because they are LAGtastic), rather than having to make a decision when they go over the top of my 1600 pf raise. If they are loose passive, you can expect a lot of limper / calling station types, who will just call the limp or the raise and stay in the hand a while, so better to just limp there as well and hope for a good flop.Just my .02 Link to post Share on other sites
AJAMBONE 0 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 [This almost guarantees he gets to see the flop without putting too many more chips in the pot... also gives him a chance to pick it up right there, also gives him the lead in the hand]At a loose/aggressive table he stands less than a 10% chance at picking up the pot with a double the BB raise. He is UTG and any caller behind him will have position on him. Doubling the BB also lets 99, TT, or JJ or any smaller pocket, call behind him. If he does not set his hand, he will never know where he is at. Oh and please do not tell me you were expecting to do anything more with this hand other than hit your set? Link to post Share on other sites
potpumper43 0 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I would say that with your stack at 9K and BB at 800 you are getting very close to the 10 big blind inflection point, meaning you should be looking for hands to double with. 88 is not the best hand to try to double with if you think you are likely to get called by a threatening stack (game described as very loose). Because of your poor position in this deal, folding may be the best option. If you open raise and get repopped, you weaken your chip position for your double hand. The same logic will tell you why limping is a bad idea, you will most likely get popped and have to fold (having invested almost 10% of your chips), which again weakens your position on the crucial doubling hand. You have plenty of time to find either a better spot or some gift dead chips. An exception to the folding advice would be when there are players in the blinds who are short chips. Then a larger than normal raise might be considered with the hopes of getting head up with the all-in short stack. With an 800 BB I'd recommend opening to like 2800(3.5x), which is threatening enough to other players that you will only get reraised by a premium hand and not so much you can't get away from the hand. Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 Thanks for the replies. However, i dont't think limping should be one of my options because i was too short to gamble on an 8:1 chance. I probably did the worst thing and pushed and got called by aa in the big blind. I'm still undecided on whether i should have just folded, or raised to 3xbb and hoped to get it hu, allowing me to fold to a pf reraise. Link to post Share on other sites
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