jjdylan 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Reads: UTG is an idiot, CO is TAG who is on 3 of my 4 tables.Should i be going to the felt here? Can i fold to the scary min-raise, should i just call even though he only has $17 left?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($60)SB ($50.25)BB ($23.20)UTG ($35.65)Hero ($91.20)CO ($86.30)Preflop: Hero is MP with T , T . UTG raises to $0.6, Hero raises to $2.6, CO calls $2.60, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.Flop: ($8.25) 9 , 7 , 8 (3 players)UTG bets $33.05 (All-In), Hero calls $33.05, CO raises to $66.1, Hero raises to $121.65 (All-In), CO calls $17.60 (All-In).Turn: ($145.35) 8 (3 players, 3 all-in)River: ($145.35) K (3 players, 3 all-in)Final Pot: $145.35 Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Regardless of who the idiots are, I don't take a 3-way all in with TT987 on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 this is a spew Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Are you the same guy who folded AK in that other thread and stuck your chips in here?That was rhetorical.You basically coldcalled your whole stack with a naked draw that might be drawing dead already and if not, is very possibly drawing slimmer due to the flush draw out there. Spew is correct.EDIT: Ok, I looked more closely becuase I thought to myself "this can't be the same player who folded that AK in the other thread. That, or I read the OP wrong."I read the OP wrong. I think that folding to the UTG player is almost always best here, especially with the other guy behind you. A LOT of his range is made up of middle pairs and with the 789 out there, it's so likely he hit a set. That said, if you're just focused on the UTG player, then this is very marginally ok. I really think you should fold to his bet. What can he have here? A9? He's probably got you beat and the CO will always have you beaten here.Obviously once you call the UTG player on the flop, you can never fold when the CO shoves. Link to post Share on other sites
jjdylan 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Are you the same guy who folded AK in that other thread and stuck your chips in here?Ive been playing badly latley, i can admit that...thats why im here Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Ive been playing badly latley, i can admit that...thats why im here Read my edit.This is still bad, just a few notches down from my original assessment Link to post Share on other sites
jjdylan 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Read my edit.This is still bad, just a few notches down from my original assessment lol Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 jermaine? Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think if you're calling you should be raising yeah?B/C once you've made that call you're going to be going in w/ the CO anyway so trying to freeze him out seems like the play b/c you may invite him in with a hand like ak clubs. Seems like a raise could get a lot of big pairs and such out that have you beat then it's only UTG you've got to draw on.These tables play pretty aggro so I can't hate playing this for stax against UTG, but I'd shovel cuz F Him that's why. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Board: 9h 7c 8cDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 26.858% 23.84% 03.01% 4485 567.00 { TcTd }Hand 1: 73.142% 70.13% 03.01% 13191 567.00 { 99-77, Ac9c, QcJc, JTs, JTo } We'd like to fold if we knew the player behind us hit, but once we call UTG it's a marginally profitable call against this range getting 3.1 : 1. I think you played it OK, but it seems we should go ahead and push rather than make a crying call. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesOnFire 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 What the hell is going on here?Starting from the beginning, the minraise from UTG is probably going to be a mid pair, any two face cards and any half decent Ax. It's how many tards play at this level. I like your raise, the call behind you from the CO is a bitch. AK/QQ - JJ - 99? Icky. Typical TAG would (should) re-raise with KK and AA. The UTG's call tells me has has some kind of hand (most lagtards will fold a half assed hand to a reraise IME), so perhaps he is holding a good pair himself, medium pair or suited face cards.Flop comes and UTG shoves. I have to believe he has an over pair or bottom set. You cold call and the TAG behind you raises, 99/88/JJ/QQ looks horribly possible here. I think you have to fold to the UTGs push here. But as said above, you're totally committed after the call.What was your thinking here? Someone criticise my anlaysis please btw? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Someone criticise my anlaysis please btw?Solid, but we shouldn't call the first 4x pot bet with a player to act behind us, when his range is really made up of middle pairs and some suited connectors. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesOnFire 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Solid, but we shouldn't call the first 4x pot bet with a player to act behind us, when his range is really made up of middle pairs and some suited connectors.Thanks.I wasn't condoning the play there, just looking at what he did and where that puts us. I give my opinion on what I would of done there and why in the next line. Link to post Share on other sites
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