Syntonic 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 No reads or notes on the villain, not sure how he plays.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($114.45)UTG ($120.75)UTG+1 ($205.25)MP1 ($173.15)MP2 ($197)MP3 ($296.40)CO ($195)Button ($227.10)Hero ($242.55)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A. 6 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, Button calls $16.Flop: ($50) 7, 8, 6(2 players)Hero bets $48, Button calls $48.Turn: ($146) 9(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $165.1 (All-In), Hero folds. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I think it's villain dependent. At this level if they are unknown I'd assume they are solid until proven otherwise, so I fold here. Link to post Share on other sites
Syntonic 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 This guy probably thinks he's Brad Booth.Ugh I should have called. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 tough spot i think the board scared us into being passive on the turn. it's ok though. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 If you were the villian with a set or straight, would you be pushing when checked to on the turn? I really think this is an overpair to the board trying to take it down. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 OMG how the hell did you fold?If this isnt JJ-KK then i dont know what is. infact, i'd be soo happy he shoved that turn it makes me feel like has QQ here 100% of the time.its when he bets 75 that i'd be worried. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 If you were the villian with a set or straight, would you be pushing when checked to on the turn? I really think this is an overpair to the board trying to take it down.of course it is.if you were villain wouldnt you add AK to heros range after checking the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 of course it is.if you were villain wouldnt you add AK to heros range after checking the turn.And if you were villain, once you deduced AK is part of his range you'd make money by.... shoving? Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 And if you were villain, once you deduced AK is part of his range you'd make money by.... shoving?In my experience at these stakes live or online, people dont want AK/AQ or JJ (QQ if he has KK) to draw out on them.same can be said about villain having 10,10 or 9,9 here though. right? Villain puts Hero on an over pair and thinks the best way to extract value is to shove so hero might opt to fold??This line only works praying our hero has KK, AA and cant fold. There is even the possibility that villain is holding the AK, AQ of hearts here tooThere are times to throw away AA, but i dont think this is one of them Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 In my experience at these stakes live or online, people dont want AK/AQ or JJ (QQ if he has KK) to draw out on them.same can be said about villain having 10,10 or 9,9 here though. right? Villain puts Hero on an over pair and thinks the best way to extract value is to shove so hero might opt to fold??This line only works as an insane overbet, praying our hero has KK, AA and cant fold. There is even the possibility that villain is holding the AK, AQ of hearts here tooThere are times to throw away AA, but i dont think this is one of themYeah I agree with basically the ranges you are saying. I think you might not be giving enough credit to online $1-2 as opposed to live. I think the play is villain dependent like I said in first line, but I think with knowing nothing about villain I'd prefer not calling off my chips here.It's probably pretty close either way. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Yeah I agree with basically the ranges you are saying. I think you might not be giving enough credit to online $1-2 as opposed to live. I think the play is villain dependent like I said in first line, but I think with knowing nothing about villain I'd prefer not calling off my chips here.It's probably pretty close either way. i played online 1-2 up to 3-6 (without a proper BR of course) from day one as a member of FCP up to until i started playing fulltime live. I noticed now people are playing more TAG then general. and multi tabling is keeping them TAG. But overall IMO, the skill of a 1/2 player hasnt gone up. There is Less donkeys though so it might seem like the games are more difficult, but its just because their isnt as much deadmoney. IMO of courseSo even with zero reads on the player, I'm stil confident were ahead here. and I usually give people the benefit of the doubt without reads. Link to post Share on other sites
Syntonic 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 In my experience at these stakes live or online, people dont want AK/AQ or JJ (QQ if he has KK) to draw out on them.same can be said about villain having 10,10 or 9,9 here though. right? Villain puts Hero on an over pair and thinks the best way to extract value is to shove so hero might opt to fold??This line only works praying our hero has KK, AA and cant fold. There is even the possibility that villain is holding the AK, AQ of hearts here tooThere are times to throw away AA, but i dont think this is one of themUgh yeah, after the hand I'm just like, omg why did I fold.Tehtoe was on aim and he told me to fold. So I blame him. Link to post Share on other sites
Syntonic 0 Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 Oops, double post. Link to post Share on other sites
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