brando 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Still trying to get a grasp of this concept. No read on MP and Button is LAG.Was this used properly?Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converterMP ($35.6)Button ($32.57)SB ($49.5)Hero ($15)UTG ($73.35)Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ac], [Qd]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. 1 fold, Hero is all in ($15), Button calls $13, SB calls $13.****EDIT******The $2 pf raise was standard, had seen it done w/ hands such as JTs/os, KQs/os, A10, QJ, etc.... Link to post Share on other sites
garamond10pt 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I don't know what Miller's Short Stack theory is, but my guess is that it applies mostly to tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites
brando 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 It's in his book Getting Started in Hold 'EM. It's for cash games. I'm not sure he addresses this situation, but then again I was trying it as I'm reading it. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Your play is right.2-1 on AQ there is great. Link to post Share on other sites
brando 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Your play is right.2-1 on AQ there is great.What about moving in w/ only $6.5 in the pot? Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 What about moving in w/ only $6.5 in the pot?Fine. They pretty much have to call, which is the disatvantage of small stack size. You won't pick up many pots PF. Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 What was with the huge raise? Bad play. Link to post Share on other sites
brando 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 What was with the huge raise? Bad play.Have you read or know his theory? Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well, from what I see it is a very stupid theory. There are 100's of places I'd rather get all my money in. Link to post Share on other sites
brando 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well, from what I see it is a very stupid theory. There are 100's of places I'd rather get all my money in.Like I said I"m not 100% sure I used it correctly. Maybe you should read or understand the theory before you just start saying "its stupid" or "bad play", etc.. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well, from what I see it is a very stupid theory. There are 100's of places I'd rather get all my money in.Not really.If you could buy in for one blind constatly, you'd be almost guranteed to make money. Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well I can agree with you there, but comon... You don't have to follow this guy's THEORY, Poker isn't a game set in stone, books and theories only show you the door man... AQ in that situation... ouch. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Poker isn't a game set in stone, books and theories only show you the door man... AQ in that situation... ouch.AQ getting 2 to1, what's the big deal? Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 AQ isn't a great hand, that's the big deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 AQ isn't a great hand, that's the big deal.You're right, there are 4 hands that are signifigantly ahead of it.KK's not that great a hand either, AA kills it. Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Yep, sorry, throwing all my money on a small pot with AQo is something everyone should do! Forget about post-flop play! :roll: Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Yep, sorry, throwing all my money on a small pot with AQoIt's not that much money, that's the whole point. Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Money shouldn't be the issue at all, Expected Value is the issue, this could be at the penny tables but I'd still advise against it. DN wastes his money on 1.5k tournies, he is making -EV plays... just because the MONEY isn't that much for him doesn't change the fact it's not a good play.AQo in that situation -EV.Don't do it. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Money shouldn't be the issue at all, Expected Value is the issueThis play is so easily +EV it's painfull that you can't see it.See if you can riddle out why. Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Sure buddy, sure. Link to post Share on other sites
TheIceman05 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Good players rebuy to the max and kick ass. But if you've only got 15 bucks, what's the point of making it 7 to go here? You're just gonna push or call a push on the flop, or call any bet anyway. Nobody's folding to your flop bet.Rebuying Like a Man > Moving In > Calling > Standard RaiseIce Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Sure buddy, sure.It's really basic.Can you really not see it? Link to post Share on other sites
TheIceman05 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 AQo in that situation -EV.Don't do it.Since when is AQ such a bad hand 5-handed? What game do you play in? Hands that will probably call you from MP: AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, any pocket pair, How many of those hands are you ahead of? How many are you behind? How likely are you to win less than a third of the time once the button flat calls? Ice Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Do you really expect to win this hand here that often that it will make it the +EV play? I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Do you really expect to win this hand here that often that it will make it the +EV play? I doubt itI expect to win way more than 1/3 of the time.You need to do some work on NL theory I think. Link to post Share on other sites
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