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#1 GabeTheKid

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:23 PM

If you read the challenge thread, you read that I was going to start posting an interesting hand up for discussion after I finish my sessions. Sometimes more than one hand. I'll be calling them, GabeTheKid's Quiz Q#___...as you can tell by the title. I didn't get much response in the challenge thread and thus decided to post the quizes here. GL. lol.http://www.pokerhand.org/?1668785he's running at 23/13/1.5 over 250 hands.It looks to me like he's got 2pair. Perhaps a set he tried to play tricky - hoping to rep a busted flush draw if a non spade hits the river. Is there value in shoving the river? What else could he have? The reason I checked behind on the flop, btw, is because it really looks like I have KK or QQ and I wont get credit if I hit my flush. Just thought I should explain this line because it's a bit unorthodox but something I like to mix in my game. I'd probably bet against 1 opponent, most of the time. But with 2 players, I couldn't stand a raise and I thought it would be well concealed as I'd be expected to bet a FD on the flop.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:30 PM

View PostGabeTheKid, on Monday, November 5th, 2007, 4:23 PM, said:

what's the question? is there value in raising?yes. yes there is. you can't under-rep your hand and then smooth call this river.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:33 PM

I would shove the river everytime..I think its pretty standard when you choose to take a preflop line like you did
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:37 PM

View Postnavybuttons, on Tuesday, November 6th, 2007, 12:30 AM, said:

you can't under-rep your hand and then smooth call this river.


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Posted 05 November 2007 - 05:30 PM

Raise it up.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 05:32 PM

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 06:02 PM

The only thing that scares me about this hand is his 1.5 AF. I really don't understand what he has here. My best guess would be a hand like KQ with the K of spades, though I think he's probably betting that turn. I think we can rule out TT-AA because this would be a perfect 3 betting spot for him preflop. I couldn't see him checking an ace 2 streets but TJ is certainly possible. 22 is possible but would he check it twice? 99 makes senses with the 9s. I think we have to be shoving here. Expect to be called by a straight or a set of nines, maybe TJ if he's donkish.
Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
BigKamp: yyou lose
BigKamp has 15 seconds left to act
BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($102.50) with four of a kind, Kings
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 06:17 PM

The board isn't even paired, the only hands that beat you are the four higher flush cards.I shove and expect to be called by AJ, AT, KQ, 22 and TT.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 06:32 PM

View PostDictius, on Monday, November 5th, 2007, 9:17 PM, said:

The board isn't even paired, the only hands that beat you are the four higher flush cards.I shove and expect to be called by AJ, AT, KQ, 22 and TT.
Would it make sense for AJ/AT to check 2 streets or TT to not 3 bet pre? TT maybe. The others I'm not so sure.
Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
BigKamp: yyou lose
BigKamp has 15 seconds left to act
BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($102.50) with four of a kind, Kings
Snamuh: you lose

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 07:10 PM

View PostSnamuh, on Tuesday, November 6th, 2007, 1:32 PM, said:

Would it make sense for AJ/AT to check 2 streets or TT to not 3 bet pre? TT maybe. The others I'm not so sure.
I think TT not 3-betting preflop out of position makes sense.I would check to the preflop raiser with AJ/AT on the flop alot. The check on the turn could be afraid of the flush or just some guy slow playing his hand too much, AJ and AT are less likely to show up but I still think they show up sometimes.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:48 PM

This is a quiz?i dontknow poker tracker stats, so i have no idea if that means he is Loose or tight.as played, if he has post flop aggression and plays fairly loose this looks like anything from a turn float trying to buy the pot on the river, (busted K high flush maybe)this could be KQ could 2 pair, who knows, the way the hand has played out its a guessing game what he has, but given the situation now, raise the river.



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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:25 PM

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him having a higher flush... If he turned a set or two pair, or even flopped it, i believe he would of pushed, or raised big, on the turn. I can't picture someone calling $54 on the turn with 99. Of course i didn't play with him so have no idea his level of donkishness. I'm actually going to put him on a Ks Qs royal. when do we find out what he had?

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:39 PM

I hope he has KsQs!! That will teach you to raise that trash!
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 03:44 AM

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 04:29 AM

Pretty much :club:
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 05:54 AM

View PostGabeTheKid, on Monday, November 5th, 2007, 4:23 PM, said:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1668785Is there value in shoving the river? What else could he have?
Yes. Any straight or set maybe two pair is going to be hard-pressed to not give your shove action. It's everyone's dream to get paid for 74 sooted, so you got that going for you as a bonus. There probably is NOT a higher flush draw out there because many of the higher flush draw cards that would have given you PF action are on the board. Plus, I go ahead and reveal my flush with a turn bet, since it's a low flush.
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 07:32 AM

I don't really know what there is to discuss here. We have a flush on an unpaired board. Our hand is underrepped. If we raise, he'll likely call with a wide range of hands (straights/sets/2pair) that we can beat since our hand is underrepresented. So, this seems to be a very standard raise. Pick an amount he'll call and go for it.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 10:53 AM

ok, good to see that most people were thinking the same thing as I was. I did shove all in and got insta called by a royal flush. lol.i thought it was a cooler.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 10:55 AM

View PostGabeTheKid, on Tuesday, November 6th, 2007, 1:53 PM, said:

it was a cooler.
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:59 AM

View PostGabeTheKid, on Tuesday, November 6th, 2007, 10:53 AM, said:

ok, good to see that most people were thinking the same thing as I was. I did shove all in and got insta called by a royal flush. lol.i thought it was a cooler.
Honestly, it was the only hand that made sense that beats you.
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