badgerbucco 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Here is a quote from Jackpot Jay's most recent article:Another fascinating topic of these off-the-record talkfests is the star who the public believes is a no-worries millionaire, who is actually so deeply in debt he can't even see the desert sky anymore. (The big rumor floating around the WSOP from Day One was about the World Poker Tour supernova who is said to be $4 million in the red, despite TV winnings of millions during the past two seasons.)So, who is the mystery player? I took a brief look at the final table finishes for the past 3 years for the WPT and can come up with 4 names that might fit. Gus HansenTuan LeErick LindgrenDaniel NegreanuObviously, some of these are better bets than others and I don't really think Daniel is the mystery player, but he is someone who made a lot on the WPT the last couple years.It's also possible that I've missed someone else. Since I don't have cable and therefore can't watch the WPT, I don't know others who might be considered "supernovas". Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 When I read it Hansen came to mind.... Link to post Share on other sites
MilesZS 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I think Hansen is the subject of the rumor. The rumor is he keeps sitting at the Big Game and losing. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 He is talking about Gus Hansen. He is supposedly in debt over $1 million to the guys in the big game and is hiding in Europe and not at the WSOP this year. Now you are educated and can give the answer next time a question about this is asked. Should be in about 20 mins or so. Link to post Share on other sites
Azzy666 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 There was a live chat with Gus Hanson on cardplayer.com yesterday and he was pointedly asked if he was in debt. He says he isn't.I believe him. He was very truthful throughout the entire interview. He admitted that he's been broke in the past and that he got beat up in the big game, but says that he isn't broke at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Here is a quote from Jackpot Jay's most recent article:Another fascinating topic of these off-the-record talkfests is the star who the public believes is a no-worries millionaire, who is actually so deeply in debt he can't even see the desert sky anymore. (The big rumor floating around the WSOP from Day One was about the World Poker Tour supernova who is said to be $4 million in the red, despite TV winnings of millions during the past two seasons.)So, who is the mystery player? I took a brief look at the final table finishes for the past 3 years for the WPT and can come up with 4 names that might fit. Gus HansenTuan LeErick LindgrenDaniel NegreanuObviously, some of these are better bets than others and I don't really think Daniel is the mystery player, but he is someone who made a lot on the WPT the last couple years.It's also possible that I've missed someone else. Since I don't have cable and therefore can't watch the WPT, I don't know others who might be considered "supernovas".I believe these are two different rumours. The second certainly is Gus. I'm not saying it's true, just that who the rumour concerns.The first is most likely TJ Cloutier. Although a phenonenally successful tournament player, his downfall is said to be the craps table where he loses more than he wins at poker. He is continually staked into tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites
badgerbucco 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 Thanks for the prompt replies. I feel so much smarter, in a celebrity-obsessed sort of way. Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Well is he talking a millionaire who now plays poker?Or a professional?If it was one of the millionairs to poker players I'd find it harder to believe.Your list is weak too..Tuan Le - Not much coverage of him on TV just yet, One tournament I think?Daniel Negreanu - Joke Right? Gus Hansen - He has a deal w/ pokerroom and is a very solid player. He would be the most likely but everyone close to him, himself and the people he supposedly "owe" all say it's a joke.E-Dog - I don't think he plays games enough to lose 4 Million, He plays a lot but nothing to the tune of losing 4 Million for as solid of a player as he seems to be. I don't think it'd be on that list really, but who knows. Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 It said WPT SUPERNOVA.....Seriously....that has to be Gus Hansen.....Anybody has another guess that is better? Link to post Share on other sites
bigpoppahoggz 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 When I type in worldpoker tour supernovaPhil helmuth comes up. Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Where are the rumors coming from anwywas what cred does this guy have? Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 When I type in worldpoker tour supernovaPhil helmuth comes up.I actually googled it for fun. Ben Affleck came up. Link to post Share on other sites
benhoug 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Anyone have a link??? Link to post Share on other sites
bigpoppahoggz 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...lovinger/050621 Link to post Share on other sites
MilesZS 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I personally prefer Jokepot Jay, or Crackpot Jay, or Jackpot Joke, or something to that extent. He is an espn.com writer who had a lot of interest in poker, so they said "Hey, go see if you can play some poker and then write about it." He's a losing player thus far, but likes to spout off about pot odds and what-not in his column so that the average person thinks he's just unlucky.Maybe I'm just harsh, and he could possibly be a better player than I am (no big feat), but I've been unimpressed with is articles and reports. I wouldn't give his rumor too much thought. Lots of rumors fly in the pokre world. Link to post Share on other sites
bigpoppahoggz 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I agree with you on his play, he is a bad player. He was solid at the start , but then he got big headed and changed his tight style to very aggresive because he read some books and thought he was better than he was. So he plays out of his element now. He is probably to good to play with the casual once a month player but not good enough to be in a casino.He should just play his cards and not the opponent and he would do better. Although wouldn't we all!As for the rumor. I believe it, poker stars are like rockstars, they don't think long term and although they make alot they spend every bit of it. the old why have money if you dont spend it mentality. they dont think it will ever end. Link to post Share on other sites
MoLeafsMo 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 In all fairness to Jackpot Jay, I don't think he's starting this rumour, as much as repeating what has been said at the WSOP in the time he's been there. If I remember correctly, that's more or less how he said it. And from what I've read of him, he doesn't seem the type to start unsubstantiated rumours, although he may repeat them if they sound credible enough.I'm a media guy myself, and I'd like to think I've gotten pretty decent at telling the difference between a rumour that may have some weight behind it, and complete hyperbole.So Jayson, I'd say Jackpot Jay is pretty credible...if indeed it was HIS credibility you were questioning, not that of the OP Link to post Share on other sites
rocksquid 50 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I first thought of Paul Phillips, but he has dot-com money. Link to post Share on other sites
Meatwad 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 ESPN poker writer jumping on secondhand information. I'm shocked. :shock: They must be desperate for more readers. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I personally prefer Jokepot Jay, or Crackpot Jay, or Jackpot Joke, or something to that extent. He is an espn.com writer who had a lot of interest in poker, so they said "Hey, go see if you can play some poker and then write about it." He's a losing player thus far, but likes to spout off about pot odds and what-not in his column so that the average person thinks he's just unlucky.Maybe I'm just harsh, and he could possibly be a better player than I am (no big feat), but I've been unimpressed with is articles and reports. I wouldn't give his rumor too much thought. Lots of rumors fly in the pokre world.Two things:One he is actually ahead money on the year thanks to a hot start at Foxwoods winning several tier 3 satellites (after you win the seat it is 10000 profit a pop). He certainly is not a great player and after the WSOP he may be in the red....but he so far has not been a losing player by the strictest definition.Two, he admits all the time in his columns that he is not that good. ALL the time. He is a funny writer who tries to give us some insight into the poker world and never at any point has he claimed to be anything other than that. (I have read all his articles as I am a devout ESPN page 2 reader thanks to Bill Simmons)Why dont you cut the guy a break Miles? Or do you wish you were a good enough writer that you could land this sort of gig? Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Another fascinating topic of these off-the-record talkfests is the star who the public believes is a no-worries millionaire, who is actually so deeply in debt he can't even see the desert sky anymore.This is the more important part of the statement that people need to realize. A lot of these people (at any limit) are compulsive gamblers with no sort of money management skills. It practically comes with the territory. Their self confidence, beliefe they can beat the game, and the rush they get off of winning are all qualities of winning players, but the same attitude can also be their downfall. I was even watching a show on FSN where Chan said that when he was younger he would win money at poker and then lose a lot at the blackjack tables (and in addition to that was spending money unwisely). He said he know has much better money management skills.The point being is that it is so hard to tell how much these guys have. Just because we see the people on TV dont assume that they are multi-millionairs. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Gus said in the chat that he didn't go broke in the Big Game, he took a beating. "A Beating" in the big game could easily be 4 million dollars, Andy Beal took hits in excess of 10 million, although the limits in the regular "Big Game" are nothing compared to when Beal sits...In any event, I'm sorry I used him as my #14 player. Link to post Share on other sites
badgerbucco 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 He mentioned WPT Supernova, so I went to the list on final table finishes for the WPT for the last 3 years. Here was my criteria for coming up a list of possible players: Someone who was repeatedly successful on the WPT over the past 3 seasons. The four players I mentioned fit my criteria. Since I'm not an insider of the poker world, I had to go to objective sources to measure the only part of Jackpot Jay's rumor that I could possibly measure. I wanted to start the topic with some analysis rather than leave it wide open, but at the same time, I wanted to limit myself to that which I knew or could determine.If you don't like the possibilities I came up with offer better ones that fit the rumor. I even invited people to do as much in my initial post.Now, you can dismiss this as simply a rumor passed on by a poker writer and that would be a fair response. Of course, that's not what you did. You criticzed my list as being weak without providing an alternative of your own.I appreciated your evaluation of each player, but if you are right and you can't come up with anyone else, the rumor came from nowhere. I highly doubt that. You can complain about Jackpot Jay's credibility or his poker insights or lack thereof, but he has a much greater track record as a journalist than anyone else I can think of in poker. I don't think that he made it up.That said, it could easily have been some event blown out of proportion that became a nasty rumor. I don't know and that's why I asked. Link to post Share on other sites
MoLeafsMo 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Some rumours are true, and some aren't. That's the very nature of a rumour.And it has been rumoured that Gus Hansen had gone broke, to the point where he had to address the issue. So I don't think it's fair to Jackpot Jay or anyone else to say that there's a rumour going around at the WSOP that someone had gone broke.Jackpot didn't name anyone, didn't say he knew this for a fact, or anything like that. He just said "The big rumor floating around the WSOP from Day One was about the World Poker Tour supernova who is said to be $4 million in the red, despite TV winnings of millions during the past two seasons."He didn't hear a rumour and report it to be true. He heard a rumour and reported it to be a rumour. There's a big difference. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 MoLeafs:He didn't hear a rumour and report it to be true. He heard a rumour and reported it to be a rumour. There's a big difference.Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites
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