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I was playing in a live tournament the other day, and there were two critical hands that caused me to go from chipleader to bust. I know what I did wrong on the hand that busted me, but here's the one where I lost my chiplead. I'm thinking I just should have folded, but I wonder what you guys think:I was dealt KQ offsuit in mid position. I raised to three time the big blind. Looking back, I think this was a mistake, as the levels had increased substantially and my standard raise was now 900 chips, when I had about 8000. I get a caller, and the flop is all rags. I bet 500 on the flop, the turn and the river. In retrospect, these seem like really weak, desperate to pick the pot up bluffs. I folded on my opponent's re-raise on the river before he even told me how much it was. There was nothing but rags on the board. I assume he had nothing, since he called such a large raise pre-flop. I wasn't thinking that at the time.So, to win this pot I figure either I should have immediately gone all-in on the flop (he had position on me btw, another mistake). Or, maybe bet 500 on the flop and turn and gone all-in on the river? This tournament was very tight. It was a 30 buy-in and it seemed to take an excruciating amount of time to eliminate someone. Most people were hesitant to lose most of their chips, even when they had the winner.I think my best play here would be to raise to maybe 2 times the big blind, and just fold to a bet after the flop missed me completely.What do all of you think? I know I played this hand horribly. That's why I've been thinking about it for days now.CT

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Try this in the strategy session and when you post it there include chip stacks of you and opponents, blinds, position, and known playing style info.

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I think my best play here would be to raise to maybe 2 times the big blind, and just fold to a bet after the flop missed me completely.CT
I think min-raising pre-flop in a NL game is just a horrible play. It's not going to scare anyone out of the pot, and it gives people the right price to play weaker hands that WILL bust you. Either limp and try to catch a flop or make a standard raise, but doubling the BB is for limit Hold 'Em. You got it half right though, you should've folded to a bet after you missed completely. KQ looks pretty, and it plays better in position than out of position obviously (which you were out of position), but when you get down to it, it's a really mediocre hand.
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What were the blinds?As well you bet size should always be relative to the pot in NL.Since there was 100o put in on the flop you should bet more on the turn.The problem with the weak bets is you don't know where you stand because guys could be calling with low pp's, ace high, draws etc. Essentialy you were making incredibly weak bluffs, and that was your mistake.

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Your pre-flop raise was fine, it was less than an 1/8th of your stack. The big mistake is the bet on the flop. I assume there is roughly 2250 in the pot. 900 +900 +450 from the blinds. Your bet of 500 is less than 1/4 of the pot. He has odds to chase you down with garbadge and it looks weak. The 500 bet on the turn is even more ridiculous as it is now a bet of less than 1/3 of the pot. if he is calling th efirst bet, he is calling that bet too. I would have been more than 1/2 the pot on the flop and then either gave up on the hand or moved in on the turn.

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